Is Tump qualified to be President?

[pescador]

Although there were obviously no presidents in the New Testament times, Paul's letter to Timothy describes the qualities that an overseer of a church should have...

"This is a trustworthy saying: If anyone aspires to be an overseer, he desires a noble task. An overseer,then, must be above reproach, the husband of but one wife, temperate, self-controlled, respectable,hospitable, able to teach, not dependent on wine, not violent but gentle, peaceable, and free of the love of money. He must not be a recent convert, or he may become conceited and fall under the same condemnation as the devil..." (Sorry, I can't change the text color)

Trump is not above reproach -- he has been sued literally thousands of times.

Trump has not been the husband of one wife -- he has been married three times and has confessed to many affairs.

Trump is most definitely not temperate -- (moderate or self-restrained; not extreme in opinion, statement, etc.) He is, in fact, just the opposite.

Trump is not gentle or peaceable but violent.

Trump is the best example of someone who obsessed with the love of money.

Trump is a recent convert (for political expediency), according to most sources.

Trump is certainly conceited. In fact he is the most conceited person most people have ever seen. Many refer to him as a narcissist. Narcissism: Excessive preoccupation with or admiration of oneself. A personality disorder characterized by self-preoccupation, need for admiration, lack of empathy...

If Trump wouldn't even qualify to be the leader of a small church, he is most definitely, by his character and behavior, not qualified to be President.

 

[brinny]

Ummmm.......

Trump is not attempting to be an overseer of a church.

Is he?

On another note, speaking of presidential candidates, are you voting for Hillary Clinton? When you think of "character" and "behavior" or the lack thereof, "Trump" comes to mind?

Just wondering, after i read the last sentence of your post:

If Trump wouldn't even qualify to be the leader of a small church, he is most definitely, by his character and behavior, not qualified to be President.

 

[Albion]

Although there were obviously no presidents in the New Testament times, Paul's letter to Timothy describes the qualities that an overseer of a church should have...

"This is a trustworthy saying: If anyone aspires to be an overseer, he desires a noble task. An overseer,then, must be above reproach, the husband of but one wife, temperate, self-controlled, respectable,hospitable, able to teach, not dependent on wine, not violent but gentle, peaceable, and free of the love of money. He must not be a recent convert, or he may become conceited and fall under the same condemnation as the devil..." (Sorry, I can't change the text color)

Trump is not above reproach -- he has been sued literally thousands of times.

Trump has not been the husband of one wife -- he has been married three times and has confessed to many affairs.

Trump is most definitely not temperate -- (moderate or self-restrained; not extreme in opinion, statement, etc.) He is, in fact, just the opposite.

Trump is not gentle or peaceable but violent.

Trump is the best example of someone who obsessed with the love of money.

Trump is a recent convert (for political expediency), according to most sources.

Trump is certainly conceited. In fact he is the most conceited person most people have ever seen. Many refer to him as a narcissist. Narcissism: Excessive preoccupation with or admiration of oneself. A personality disorder characterized by self-preoccupation, need for admiration, lack of empathy...

If Trump wouldn't even qualify to be the leader of a small church, he is most definitely, by his character and behavior, not qualified to be President.

Almost none of that ^ is accurate, but I'd recommend that you not call Mr. Trump to the pulpit of your church if you really feel this way. He's running for president, you know, not for pastor.

 

[(° ͡ ͜ ͡ʖ ͡ °) (ᵔᴥᵔʋ)]

The scriptures referenced only apply to the leaders of a church. The bible makes absolutely clear that leaders of nations have their positions because God allowed it and has ordained it to be so. If Trump is elected and becomes the next president of the United States, it would have been so because God has allowed it. Scripture also makes absolutely clear that we should pray for our leaders.

 

[brinny]

The scriptures referenced only apply to the leaders of a church. The bible makes absolutely clear that leaders of nations have their positions because God allowed it and has ordained it to be so. If Trump is elected and becomes the next president of the United States, it would have been so because God has allowed it. Scripture also makes absolutely clear that we should pray for our leaders.

Exactly.

Amen.

 

[pescador]

The above responses miss the point entirely. Of course Trump is not attempting to be an overseer of a church, but Paul is describing qualifications to be a leader. Trump exhibits just the opposite of those qualities. Why is that so difficult to understand?

 

[Albion]

The above responses miss the point entirely. Of course Trump is not attempting to be an overseer of a church, but Paul is describing qualifications to be a leader. Trump exhibits just the opposite of those qualities. Why is that so difficult to understand?

It's not. Your characterization of Trump, which however was woefully inaccurate, really should be the focus, as you say--especially if we want to have a theocracy instead of the form of government we've known in this country. Is it?

 

[BadHabit]

No, Trump most certainly is NOT qualified to be POTUS. Neither is any one else. We all like to play armchair general and pretend we know how to run things in the US, but none of us is qualified either. Scary to think some person you don't know, whose mental health is a mystery, is going to be the CEO of America, innit?

 

[brinny]

No, Trump most certainly is NOT qualified to be POTUS. Neither is any one else. We all like to play armchair general and pretend we know how to run things in the US, but none of us is qualified either. Scary to think some person you don't know, whose mental health is a mystery, is going to be the CEO of America, innit?

In the meantime, election looms ever-closer. my friend.

What to do? what to do?

 

[brinny]

The above responses miss the point entirely. Of course Trump is not attempting to be an overseer of a church, but Paul is describing qualifications to be a leader. Trump exhibits just the opposite of those qualities. Why is that so difficult to understand?

Read post #2.

 

[Albion]

The above responses miss the point entirely. Of course Trump is not attempting to be an overseer of a church, but Paul is describing qualifications to be a leader. Trump exhibits just the opposite of those qualities. Why is that so difficult to understand?

Maybe it would help everyone here if you'd point us to the perfect example of a presidential candidate or former president.

 

[BadHabit]

Maybe it would help everyone here if you'd point us to the perfect example of a presidential candidate or former president.

Oh boy, I hope someone takes that challenge. That'll really get this thread hopping. LOL. I'm sure the conversation would be completely rational and polite too. HAHAHAHAHA.

 

[Albion]

As Brinny has repeatedly said, we face an election. St. Francis of Assisi is not running. Are we to sit on our hands because all the candidates--as in previous elections--are not perfect?

(By the way, Francis of Assisi was sometimes indecisive, so he probably wouldn't do, either.)

 

[brinny]

For shame! Go wash your hands for suggesting such a thing!

ROFLOLOL!!!!

(i did, but she didn't go away)

 

[BadHabit]

I'm sorry, but if you'd like to ask me which current candidate, if any I am voting for, please ask me directly. I don't do the whole "i'm being subtle and dropping hints to make you give up your position" routine. I'm quite aware an election is looming. I'm out of touch with the world, but I am aware of this fact as shut off from society as I am.

 

[Albion]

Who are you voting for and why?

 

[brinny]

I'm sorry, but if you'd like to ask me which current candidate, if any I am voting for, please ask me directly. I don't do the whole "i'm being subtle and dropping hints to make you give up your position" routine. I'm quite aware an election is looming. I'm out of touch with the world, but I am aware of this fact as shut off from society as I am.

Fair enough.

Are you voting for Hillary Clinton?

(and i'm sorry if you're shut off from society....everything ok?)

 

[W2L]

The scriptures referenced only apply to the leaders of a church. The bible makes absolutely clear that leaders of nations have their positions because God allowed it and has ordained it to be so. If Trump is elected and becomes the next president of the United States, it would have been so because God has allowed it. Scripture also makes absolutely clear that we should pray for our leaders.

If God ordains the world leaders, why then are we arguing over who we will elect?

 

[(° ͡ ͜ ͡ʖ ͡ °) (ᵔᴥᵔʋ)]

If God ordains the world leaders, why then are we arguing over who we will elect?

If it is not within God’s will for someone to rule a nation, He will not allow that person to rule.

 

[W2L]

If it is not within God’s will for someone to rule a nation, He will not allow that person to rule.

Yes, but that doesn't answer the question though.