Is teaching that Jesus returned invisibly in 1914 against scripture?

[peebly63]

I believe the bible says his return will mark the rapture of believers..

 

[shturt678]

I believe the bible says his return will mark the rapture of believers..

At first thought, was thinking you could be opening up a Christian can of worms, i.e., "Rapture" with all its promotions in the last century with books and the entertainment industry, but actually need to grasp this concept in the context of what it really is, good thread.

hmmmm, "his return will mark the rapture of believers" or "be snatched" (A.V. "caught up") at IThess.4:17 with one 'resurrection,' Jn5:28, 29, hence the 'end' or?

 

[bbbbbbb]

The answer to the OP is yes. And, for the record, Christ did not enter into the Sanctuary in 1848 to begin His Investigative Judgment, either.

 

[peebly63]

The answer to the OP is yes. And, for the record, Christ did not enter into the Sanctuary in 1848 to begin His Investigative Judgment, either.

thank you for your reply..

it seems that this doctrine is very much at odds with biblical teachings..

 

[interpreter]

The second coming was in 312AD, on Oct.28th, when the sign of the Son of Man appeared in the clouds, and Jesus came into power through St. Constantine who rode a white horse and conquered with a bow.

 

[bbbbbbb]

thank you for your reply..

it seems that this doctrine is very much at odds with biblical teachings..

I entirely agree.

 

[PreachingChristCrucified]

Is teaching that Jesus returned invisibly in 1914 against scripture?

Yes, it is against scripture. Jesus will return visibly in the same way he left and every eye will see him:

Acts 1:11
Which also said, Ye men of Galilee, why stand ye gazing up into heaven? this same Jesus, which is taken up from you into heaven, shall so come in like manner as ye have seen him go into heaven.

Revelation 1:7
Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see him, and they also which pierced him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him. Even so, Amen.

 

[Gareth]

So Jesus was seen going up into heaven? No, he wasn't. The scripture says a cloud took him from the apostles view. Also who sees him come back? Certainly not the apostles because they are all now dead. Also how does `every eye see him` and `they also who pierced him` because the latter are long dead.

Is Jesus coming back in 1914 against Scripture? No, it isn't. A careful diligent study of Bible prophecy will show that Jesus did come back in 1914, but not seen in a physical body. His physical body did not go to heaven but a spiritual one did as the scripture in 1Cor. 15:42-50 confirms.

So why is it that some faiths accept 1914 as a return of Jesus and others don't? Well some cling to ideas like Jesus coming back visibly and physically but these ideas are not backed by scripture. Some things that will happen, or are happening on a visible level, but others are on a spiritual and unseen level. Rather the latter is felt than seen. Also some faiths cling to ideas that everyone will go to heaven so Jesus coming back to earth doesn't fit in with their beliefs so it's rejected.

Also, it is God who allows his thoughts to be transmitted to people and by whom he wants. Those faiths that do not have his backing will not have the spiritual insight needed to discern where we are in the stream of time. The End is nearer than a lot of people think. And the correct understanding of when Jesus returns is a fundamental part of understanding just how close we are right now to the end of this wicked system.

 

[peebly63]

So Jesus was seen going up into heaven? No, he wasn't. The scripture says a cloud took him from the apostles view. Also who sees him come back? Certainly not the apostles because they are all now dead. Also how does `every eye see him` and `they also who pierced him` because the latter are long dead.

Is Jesus coming back in 1914 against Scripture? No, it isn't. A careful diligent study of Bible prophecy will show that Jesus did come back in 1914, but not seen in a physical body. His physical body did not go to heaven but a spiritual one did as the scripture in 1Cor. 15:42-50 confirms.

So why is it that some faiths accept 1914 as a return of Jesus and others don't? Well some cling to ideas like Jesus coming back visibly and physically but these ideas are not backed by scripture. Some things that will happen, or are happening on a visible level, but others are on a spiritual and unseen level. Rather the latter is felt than seen. Also some faiths cling to ideas that everyone will go to heaven so Jesus coming back to earth doesn't fit in with their beliefs so it's rejected.

Also, it is God who allows his thoughts to be transmitted to people and by whom he wants. Those faiths that do not have his backing will not have the spiritual insight needed to discern where we are in the stream of time. The End is nearer than a lot of people think. And the correct understanding of when Jesus returns is a fundamental part of understanding just how close we are right now to the end of this wicked system.

please give me scripture that would support Jesus returning invisibly...thanks..

 

[he-man]

Is Jesus coming back in 1914 against Scripture? No, it isn't. A careful diligent study of Bible prophecy will show that Jesus did come back in 1914, but not seen in a physical body.So why is it that some faiths accept 1914 as a return of Jesus and others don't? Well some cling to ideas like Jesus coming back visibly and physically but these ideas are not backed by scripture. Some things that will happen, or are happening on a visible level, but others are on a spiritual and unseen level. Rather the latter is felt than seen. Also some faiths cling to ideas that everyone will go to heaven so Jesus coming back to earth doesn't fit in with their beliefs so it's rejected.

Have we been made kings and priests yet?
Rev 1:6 And hath made us kings and priests unto God and his Father; to him be glory and dominion for ever and ever. Amen.

The pierced ones have not seen him yet because he hasn't returned yet!

Rev 20:5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.

Rev 1:7 Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see him, and they also which pierced him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him. Even so, Amen.

Are we reigning ON EARTH as kings and priests yet? Have you or anyone else been resurrected yet? Have rather your eyes shall consume away?

Rev 5:10 And hast made us unto our God kings and priests: and we shall reign on the earth.

Rev 20:6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

Dan 7:27 And the kingdom and dominion, and the greatness of the kingdom under the whole heaven, shall be given to the people of the saints of the most High, whose kingdom is an everlasting kingdom, and all dominions shall serve and obey him.

Zec 14:5 And ye shall flee to the valley of the mountains; for the valley of the mountains shall reach unto Jerusalem: yea, ye shall flee, like as ye fled from before the earthquake in the days of Uzziah king of Judah: and the LORD my God shall come, and all the saints with thee.

9 And the LORD shall be king over all the earth: in that day shall there be one LORD, and his name one.

12 And this shall be the plague wherewith the LORD will smite all the people that have fought against Jerusalem; Their flesh shall consume away while they stand upon their feet, and their eyes shall consume away in their holes, and their tongue shall consume away in their mouth.

 

[Harry3142]

peebly63-

An excellent way to measure whether something claimed actually conforms to Scripture is to examine how it's being used. The 'invisible return of 1914' has been used by a certain sect in order to claim superiority over all other church denominations. As well as claiming that Jesus returned in 1914, they also claim that as a result of this 'return' all must obey their particular heirarchy or else perish. That makes it clearly motivated by selfish ambition, one of 'the acts of the sinful nature' condemned in Scripture:

So I say, live by the Spirit, and you will not gratify the desires of the sinful nature. For the sinful nature desires what is contrary to the Spirit, and the Spirit what is contrary to the sinful nature. They are in conflict with each other, so that you do not do what you want. But if you are led by the Spirit, you are not under law.

The acts of the sinful nature are obvious: sexual immorality, impurity and debauchery; idolatry and witchcraft; hatred, discord, jealousy, fits of rage, selfish ambition, dissensions, factions and envy; drunkenness, orgies, and the like. I warn you, as I did before, that those who live like this will not inherit the kingdom of God.

But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness and self-control. Against such things there is no law. Those who belong to Christ Jesus have crucified the sinful nature with its passions and desires. Since we live by the Spirit, let us keep in step with the Spirit. Let us not become conceited, provoking and envying each other. (Galatians 5:16-26,NIV)

Laws and commandments can be 'danced around'; motivations can't. If the motivations underlying claims conform to those listed as 'the acts of the sinful nature', then even if superficially the claim seems to be benign, or even pious, the endresult can only be evil, since the motivations which led to the claim were themselves evil. Just as a poisoned tree can't yield good fruit, anything which has as its origin a motivation which is an act of the sinful nature can't lead to anything other than evil.

In order for what we say and do to truly conform to God's will, the underlying motivations which culminate in those words and actions must also conform to God's will. And that can only happen when those motivations are those listed as 'the fruit of the Spirit'. It's not enough to do the right things; we must also do them for the right reasons. And it is only when those reasons are the motivations listed as 'the fruit of the Spirit' that the reasons can be seen as right, and therefore conforming to God's will for us. Their supreme importance is emphasized by the words which immediately follow them: "Against such things there is no law."

 

[Phantasman]

it seems that this doctrine is very much at odds with biblical teachings..

Uh............you ARE in UNorthodox Theology.

 

[peebly63]

peebly63-

An excellent way to measure whether something claimed actually conforms to Scripture is to examine how it's being used. The 'invisible return of 1914' has been used by a certain sect in order to claim superiority over all other church denominations. As well as claiming that Jesus returned in 1914, they also claim that as a result of this 'return' all must obey their particular heirarchy or else perish. That makes it clearly motivated by selfish ambition, one of 'the acts of the sinful nature' condemned in Scripture:

So I say, live by the Spirit, and you will not gratify the desires of the sinful nature. For the sinful nature desires what is contrary to the Spirit, and the Spirit what is contrary to the sinful nature. They are in conflict with each other, so that you do not do what you want. But if you are led by the Spirit, you are not under law.

The acts of the sinful nature are obvious: sexual immorality, impurity and debauchery; idolatry and witchcraft; hatred, discord, jealousy, fits of rage, selfish ambition, dissensions, factions and envy; drunkenness, orgies, and the like. I warn you, as I did before, that those who live like this will not inherit the kingdom of God.

But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness and self-control. Against such things there is no law. Those who belong to Christ Jesus have crucified the sinful nature with its passions and desires. Since we live by the Spirit, let us keep in step with the Spirit. Let us not become conceited, provoking and envying each other. (Galatians 5:16-26,NIV)

Laws and commandments can be 'danced around'; motivations can't. If the motivations underlying claims conform to those listed as 'the acts of the sinful nature', then even if superficially the claim seems to be benign, or even pious, the endresult can only be evil, since the motivations which led to the claim were themselves evil. Just as a poisoned tree can't yield good fruit, anything which has as its origin a motivation which is an act of the sinful nature can't lead to anything other than evil.

In order for what we say and do to truly conform to God's will, the underlying motivations which culminate in those words and actions must also conform to God's will. And that can only happen when those motivations are those listed as 'the fruit of the Spirit'. It's not enough to do the right things; we must also do them for the right reasons. And it is only when those reasons are the motivations listed as 'the fruit of the Spirit' that the reasons can be seen as right, and therefore conforming to God's will for us. Their supreme importance is emphasized by the words which immediately follow them: "Against such things there is no law."

Amen well said, I do believe it is important to understand the nature of God as well as his word and then you won't be easily misled...

 

[Soulgazer]

Just my professional opinion. Christ returns the same way He left----- clouds are symbolic for spiritual.
If you are looking to the sky, you are looking in the wrong direction. If you want to change the world, start with yourself, and use the blueprints that Jesus gave us--- The Beattitudes are a good place to start.
The Virgin Mary is symbolic of the virginal spirit- Thus the symbolism of repentance and baptism washing one clean, where the old self has died(symbolised by the fleshly Jesus on the cross), to a virgin state where Christ can be born. The wars against good and evil are not flesh and blood, but the battleground is inside ones own self between the pneumatic spirit and the hylic desires hardwired into these monky suits. The Christ triumphant dissolves, or "cast into outer darkness never to be remembered" our sinful, or fallen animal nature, and replaces it with the promised streets of Gold..."And now these three remain: faith, hope and love. But the greatest of these is love." When all of these things have been accomplished, then our ressurection from the dead has been completed. Then, indeed, as the Apostle said, "We suffered with him, and we arose with him, and we went to heaven with him".

 

[peebly63]

can we please stick to the topic, i am very interested in finding any scripture that speaks of Jesus returning to the earth in 1914..thanks...

 

[Soulgazer]

can we please stick to the topic, i am very interested in finding any scripture that speaks of Jesus returning to the earth in 1914..thanks...

I was on topic. I would be interested in finding a solid gold bar in my driveway too. Read the last post and insert at the end ---"No physical return happened in 1914, it is not mentioned in any Christian writing".

 

[peebly63]

I was on topic. I would be interested in finding a solid gold bar in my driveway too.

don't worry we will walk on streets of Gold one day..lol

I would really like relevant scripture to the return of Jesus, invisibly or otherwise in 1914...

 

[Soulgazer]

don't worry we will walk on streets of Gold one day..lol

I would really like relevant scripture to the return of Jesus, invisibly or otherwise in 1914...

The only thing I could dig up was the Christmas Miracle of 1914. This might be the basis of that theology.

The Christmas Truce of 1914 - YouTube


The Theosophy movement of the nineteenth century caused the birth of many of our present day spiritual and Christian theologies. JW's, Christian Science, Neo-Gnosticism, Evangelical, Seventh Day Adventist, all spring from this movement. The Christmas Truce was a recognized miracle to just about everyone.

 

[peebly63]

The only thing I could dig up was the Christmas Miracle of 1914. This might be the basis of that theology.

The Christmas Truce of 1914 - YouTube


The Theosophy movement of tha late nineteenth century caused the birth of many of our present day spiritual and Christian theologies. JW's, Christian Science, Neo-Gnosticism, Evangelical, Seventh Day Adventist, all spring from this movement. The Christmas Truce was a recognized miracle to just about everyone.

the then founder was influenced by the 7th day adventists apparently but it's also believed true that the information leading to the 1914 prophercy was through the measurments of one of the pyramids, thus he ended up with a huge pyramid on his grave, quite ironic really..

 

[Soulgazer]

the then founder was influenced by the 7th day adventists apparently but it's also believed true that the information leading to the 1914 prophercy was through the measurments of one of the pyramids, thus he ended up with a huge pyramid on his grave, quite ironic really..

Deffinately sounds like pieces of the theosophy movement. Have you ever read any Anna Kingsford?