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Is Muhammad Predicted in Hindu Scriptures?


Various Muslim websites [*, *] have published an article concerning the Muhammad in the Hindu Scriptures. According to these articles, Hindus believe that there will be a guide and leader, called the Kalki Avatar who will rise in the last days. Many Hindus believe that the Kalki Avatar will be the 10th incarnation of the Hindu god Vishnu.

The Vishnu Purana (4.24) says:
"When the practices taught by the Vedas and the institutes of law shall nearly have ceased, and the close of the Kali age shall be nigh, a portion of that divine being who exists of his own spiritual nature in the character of Brahma, and who is the beginning and the end, and who comprehends all things, shall descend upon the earth. He will be born as Kalki in the family of an eminent brahmin of Sambhala village, endowed with the eight superhuman faculties. By his irresistible might he will destroy all the barbarians and thieves, and all whose minds are devoted to iniquity. He will then reestablish righteousness upon earth; and the minds of those who live at the end of the Kali age shall be awakened, and shall be as pellucid as crystal. The men who are thus changed by virtue of that peculiar time shall be as the seeds of human beings, and shall give birth to a race who shall follow the laws of the Krita age, the Age of Purity. As it is said, "When the sun and moon, and the luner asterism Tishya, and the planet Jupiter, are in one mansion, the Krita age shall return."
There are several men who claim to be the Kalki: *, *


The article begins with a logical fallacy of the Appeal to Authority:
One hindu research professor, in his stunning book, claims that description of avatar found in the holy books of hindu religion is in fact that of the prophet muhammad(s.a.w). A little while ago, in India a fact revealing book has been published, which has been the topic of discussions and gossip, allover the country. Amazingly the author of this book is a fair-minded famous professor, who happens to be a Hindu. His name is Pundit Vedaprakash Upadhai and the name of his fact revealing book is "kalki avtar". The author is a hindu Brahmin by caste of Bengali origin. He is a research scholar, a seeker of the truth and a well known pundit in allahabad university. After years of research work, he published this book and other eight pundits have endorsed and certified his points of argument as authentic. According to Hindu belief and their holy books, the description of the guide and the leader, named kalki avatar, fits that of prophet Muhammad(so.a.w)of Arabia. So the Hindus of the whole world should look into this new information not wait any longer for the arrival of kalki avatar (the spirit) as he already arrived 1400 years ago. The author produces following sound evidences from the vedas and other holy books of Hindu religion in support of his claim:-


Now we proceed to examine the proof:

1. In purana (a holy book of Hindus) it is stated that kalki avatar would be the last messenger of god in this world for the guidance of the whole world and all human beings. (according to Islam, prophet Muhammad (s.a.w) is also considered the last messenger of god in this world who was sent to guide all human beings).
The Vishnu Purana does not say that the Kalki Avatar will be the last messenger. This Purana does say that the Kalki Avatar:
  1. Exists of his own spiritual nature in the character of Brahma
  2. Is the beginning and the end
  3. Comprehends all things
  4. Will be born as Kalki in the family of an eminent Brahmin of Sambhala village
  5. Will be endowed with the eight superhuman faculties
None of these descriptions apply to Muhammad.


2. According to a Hindu religion prediction, the birth of kalki avatar,would take place in an isle which again according to Hindu religion is Arab region.
This is an error in geographical terminology. An isle is an island, Arabia is a peninsula.


3. In books of Hindus, the names of the father and the mother of kalki avatar are given as vishnubhagat and sumaani respectively. if we examine the meanings of these names we shall come to a very interesting conclusion: take vishnubhagat vishnu (meaning god) + bhagat(meaning slave)= slave of god Allah (god) + abd (slave in Arabic) = slave of god (Abdullah in Arabic name of Mohammed's father) sumaani = peace or calmness aamenah(Arabic) =peace or calmness (name of mother of prophet Muhammad (s.a.w)
This is an error in philology. In other words, if the names are literal, then they do not match. A servant of Vishnu would not be equivalent to a servant of Allah, unless one admits that Vishnu is Allah.


4. In religious books of Hindus, it is mentioned that the staple food of kalki avatar would be dates and olives and he would be the most honest and truthful person in the region. Without any doubt the prophet Muhammad (s.a.w) is acclaimed to possess these qualities.
The Hadith are a collection of oral traditions which record the most minor details of Muhammad's life and habits. He did enjoy dates, however, there is no mention of him eating olives, although there are some references to olive oil.


5. It is stated in Vedas (holy book of Hindu religion) that the birth of kalki avatar would take place in an honorable clan. This perfectly fits the quraysh where the prophet Muhammad (s.a.w) belonged to. (very honorable clan for more details u can read the history of prophet(s.a.w) to see the qualities that they possessed which made them one of the strongest clans).
No, the Vishnu Purana clearly says "He will be born as Kalki in the family of an eminent brahmin of Sambhala village". Muhammad was not born in Sambhala village, he was born in Arabia, and no one has ever claimed that Muhammad came from a Brahmin family. Additionally, is there any objective reason to believe the Quaraysh to be more honorable than other clans?


6. God would teach kalki avatar through his messenger (angel) in a cave. Allah taught prophet Muhammad (s.a.w), through is messenger angel jibraeel(gabreal) in a cave known as gaar-e-hiraa(a cave in mount hiraa).
The Purana says no such thing. Hindus believe that the Kalki Avatar is a god [Vishnu] who has been reincarnated 10 times and not a mere messenger. Muhammad claimed to be a messenger and would have been grossly offended by the suggestion that he was the incarnation of a Pagan god. There is a huge difference between the concept of Propethood in Islam and the concept of the Avatar in Hinduism and one cannot impose an Islamic meaning on a Hindu title.


7. God would avail kalki avatar with a very speedy horse to ride and travel the whole world and the seven skies. indication of buraaque(horse) and me'raaj (the night when prophet traveled the seven skies).
Muhammad never traveled the whole world, he was reported to have traveled to the "farthest Masjid", although, according to Ibn Ishaq's Sirat Rasulullah, Muhammad's wife Aishah claimed that his body never left the bed that night. Incidentally, this story [the Miraj] is very similar to the story of Zoroaster's ascent into the seven heavens on a mythical beast called a "Gryphon".


8. God would also avail kalki avatar with divine help. This was particularly proved in the battle of uhud.
The Kalki Avatar has, according to the Purana, "irresistible might" and is divine ["character of Brahma"]. Therefore, he does not need divine help, he provides divine help.


9. Another dazzling account given about kalki avatar was that he would be born on the 12th of a month. whereas the prophet Muhammad (s.a.w) was born on the 12th of the rabiul awwal (Islamic calendar).
This assumes that Hindus used the same calendar as Muslims. There is also disagreement among Muslims scholars concerning exactly when Muhammad was born. In fact, some Islamic sources claim that Muhammad's birthday (Mawlid) was first celebrated 3 centuries after the death of Muhammad.


10. Kalki avatar would be an excellent horse rider and a swordsman. The author here draws the attention of Hindus that the real days of horses and swords have gone and the present time is of guns and missiles. so it would be foolish on the part of those who still expect kalki avatar, who should be an excellent rider and swordsman to come. in fact, the divine book, holy qur'aan contains qualities and signs attributed to kalki avatar reflecting on the prophet Muhammad (s.a.w).
Nearly every hero in the ancient world used swords and horses, therefore, this criteria doesn't point out anyone in particular. However, some Hindus believe that the Kalki Avatar will be a machine-man, who will come to earth on a white horse with a blazing sword in his hands. This future incarnation of Vishnu will appear at the end of Kali Yuga (evil eon) and would solve the problem of Adharma (unrighteousness). He will punish all evil people in this world, destroy the world, and recreate a golden age of peace and harmony. Clearly, Muhammad did none of these things.


If the author of this book were a Muslim, he could have been arrested or he could have been murdered and all the copies of this book would have been confiscated. even a ban would have been extended on its further publications. a riot and violence would have broken out against innocent Muslims and their blood would have been shed. (these are just some of the things that could have happened as Muslims would be accused of false propaganda etc). however, these facts are verified and supported by the eight eminent pundits. what the author and the eight other eminent pundits say is that the Hindus who are still anxiously awaiting the arrival of kalki avatar are simply subjecting themselves to a never ending pain. because such a great messenger has come and departed from this world fourteen centuries ago.
This type of censorship and blatant violation of human rights would be far more common in Pakistan than in democratic and secular India. Nobody even heard about this man in India and it seems he was an invention of some sick mind.


Editor Note :- Salaamun Alkum Article does not said that Hindu religion is authentic religion . It's said that even Hindus they Know about the last Prophet and did not excepted it is their fault Quran said . They know this Prophet like they know their sons. All Prophet predicted for the last prophet even the new and old Testament of Bible In present condition you can find about the last Prophet of Islam. So in the Day of Judgment they can't deny the Fact that they don't know who was the last Prophet.If the author does not believe that Hinduism is an "authentic" religion, why does he appeal to Hindu scriptures? It is intellectually dangerous for Muslims to draw conclusions concerning what they believe to be the truth from sources they consider to be of questionable veracity. An Avatar is a reincarnation of a god - an idea that Muhammad would have immediately condemned as shirk, the most serious of all sins. In addition to the many factual flaws in this argument, there is another very serious problem. Link
 
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lol, it's quite simple isn't it Arunma?

Every oldish religion would want Jesus to apparently be predicted in it (apart from Judaism).

Jesus was the epitome of perfectness. For an apparent certain text to predict that he would come gives the religion brownee points.

Muhammed on the other hand isn't, and any s acred text that predicts him is gonna have brownee points taken away.
 
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S Walch said:
lol, it's quite simple isn't it Arunma?

Every oldish religion would want Jesus to apparently be predicted in it (apart from Judaism).

Jesus was the epitome of perfectness. For an apparent certain text to predict that he would come gives the religion brownee points.

Muhammed on the other hand isn't, and any s acred text that predicts him is gonna have brownee points taken away.

Unfortunately, Hindus who claim that their text predicts Jesus also say that Jesus is a Hindu guru who practiced their detestable idolatry. But perhaps it is just an issue of brownee points.
 
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srev2004 said:
Sai Baba. His parents were Muslim and Hindu.

To be specific, Shirdi Sai Baba. There is also a Satya Sai Baba, who claims to be a reincarnation of the Sai Baba from Shirdi. And the new one does not have any Muslim connections, as far as I know.
 
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arunma said:
Curious. When Jesus is supposedly written about in Hindu scriptures, Hindus jump for joy. But when Mohammed is mentioned, the apologists rise up. What's going on here?
I don't doubt that the muslims version of jesus is written into hindu scripture now after they moved to india because st. issa
sounds a lot like isa and I noticed some similarities between the two versions. That Mohammed in the vedas thing was supposed to be started by a famous indian professor. They say he was a hindu but as many "miracles" as muslims claim as well as inventions and other stuff I don't doubt he was a muslim. http://www.islamicresearch.org/Pages/Prophet%20Mohammad%20in%20Hindus%20books.htm
 
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arunma said:
When Jesus is supposedly written about in Hindu scriptures, Hindus jump for joy.

i would appreciate it if you stop speaking for hindus or else substantiate your claims .


But when Mohammed is mentioned, the apologists rise up. What's going on here?

ill explain it to you . the muslims did not make a claim that mohammad was merely mentioned in the hindu scriptures ( some people believe that bhavishya purana foretells future occurences, both good and bad so a mere mention does not imply anything neccessarily positive ) . they made a claim that Mohammad was Lord Kalki and they supposedly quoted hindu scriptures .
this claim has now been dismissed .
the question is not who was mentioned in the bhavishya purana but whether Mohammad was Lord Kalki or not . i hope u understand the difference now,i also hope ull be less eager to derail threads into hindu bashing and stating nonsensical things
 
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arunma said:
Curious. When Jesus is supposedly written about in Hindu scriptures, Hindus jump for joy. But when Mohammed is mentioned, the apologists rise up. What's going on here?

The only difference here is Hindus boldly challenged them and refuted claims of muslims that now they can't dare to write all this again.
But Christians like arunma always live in the deny mode and never able to stand against Hindu posts. We are still wating reply like this which i know you can never provide because you have never provided till now. ^_^

Don't destroy my thread with unwanted posts which are not related with OP. Where were you in those threads when some Hindus were expecting response like this from you? :doh:
 
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MAXX said:
The only difference here is Hindus boldly challenged them and refuted claims of muslims that now they can't dare to write all this again.
But Christians like arunma always live in the deny mode and never able to stand against Hindu posts. We are still wating reply like this which i know you can never provide because you have never provided till now. ^_^
I have refuted them also, so we at least have that in common. :wave:

(Young) Mark 9:7 And there came a cloud overshadowing them, and there came a Voice out of the cloud, saying, `This is My Son--the Beloved, hear ye him!!!!;'

Revelation 2:18 " And to the angel of the church in Thyatira write, ' These things says the Son of God, who has eyes like a flame of fire, and His feet like fine brass:............
 
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Namaste S Walch,

thank you for the post.

S Walch said:
lol, it's quite simple isn't it Arunma?

Every oldish religion would want Jesus to apparently be predicted in it (apart from Judaism).

why would Buddha Dharma desire to have predicted the arising of a being named Jesus?

Jesus was the epitome of perfectness.

in your tradition :)

metta,

~v
 
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and just for your information arunma , since u have demonstrated very little knowledge of hinduism in the past , Jesus is not the only one supposed to have been mentioned in the hindu scriptures and there is nothing special about him according to hindus , Buddha and Mohhammad are supposed to be mentioned too . also there is no special joy that he is supposedly mentioned . if anyone tried to claim that Jesus was Lord Kalki hindus would be equally offended and refute that claim .
so i hope ull come down from the false ego trip and back to reality
 
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why would Buddha Dharma desire to have predicted the arising of a being named Jesus?
How could he if he never read the Bible. :wave:

Matthew 26:64 Jesus said to him, "[It is as] you said. Nevertheless, I say to you, hereafter you will see the Son of Man sitting at the right hand of the Power, and coming on the clouds of heaven."

Matt 23: 38 "See! Your house is left to you a Wilderness;
 
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vajradhara said:
Namaste S Walch,

thank you for the post.



why would Buddha Dharma desire to have predicted the arising of a being named Jesus?



in your tradition :)

metta,

~v

i totally agree
and just to add on

For an apparent certain text to predict that he would come gives the religion brownee points.

Muhammed on the other hand isn't, and any s acred text that predicts him is gonna have brownee points taken away.


you seem to be working under the false notion that predictions are only for positive events , like i said before a certain text can predict something bad is going to happen . the bhavishya purana does not paint Mohammad in a positive light nor does it say Jesus is going to be a exclusive saviour or whatever so your wrong on both counts

lol, it's quite simple isn't it Arunma?


not quite after all :sorry:
 
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