Is Masturbation a sin?

[AphroditeGoneAwry]

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I can tell you did not grow up in the same church I did. They taught that no matter how righteous you seemed to be, you still committed tens of sins every minute. Usually you were not even aware of any of them.

Yes, and I think that is a sign of living under oppression. If Jesus freed us, we should feel free and joyful.

Joy comes with obedience, but joy can only come also with hope and faith. And if we are living too harshly on one side or the other, we will not have our joy.

I think we should start collecting verses that speak about the sinners in the Bible, all the gamut of sinning. From the OT to the NT, from the prophets and the writings to Jesus and Paul. And see where it all falls out. I have not formally studied this but have stumbled upon this sin construct enough that it has caught my attention.

But I don't believe living just in faith with Jesus is enough either. I believe in living out the Law. I have a friend who always says, "We are not under law anymore". But actually we are. We are under Jesus and Jesus illustrates the perfect law, so we are still under the law, it is just buffered by Jesus. We cannot hide behind Jesus and claim ignorance of what is right and what is wrong. Sometimes we can know and have the grace of Jesus but sometimes we need more specific instructions to know what is right and wrong.

However, for all the speaking everyone does of being a SINNER it seems contrary to how the same people are also the ones who claim we are not 'under the law' anymore. Where I am going with this is that when we do not stick with the boundaries we need and have been given by God to know right from wrong, and just claim Jesus' grace is enough, it really is not enough for us; we feel like sinners because we are shunning the law! We should feel like sinners.

But if we do both: if we first accept and have faith in Jesus, and then live under the law as given by Him and the Father and the Holy Spirit, then we will feel like the righteous and holy army that God had made us to be.

 

[J. Bleize]

Yes, and I think that is a sign of living under oppression. If Jesus freed us, we should feel free and joyful.

Joy comes with obedience, but joy can only come also with hope and faith. And if we are living too harshly on one side or the other, we will not have our joy.

I think we should start collecting verses that speak about the sinners in the Bible, all the gamut of sinning. From the OT to the NT, from the prophets and the writings to Jesus and Paul. And see where it all falls out. I have not formally studied this but have stumbled upon this sin construct enough that it has caught my attention.

But I don't believe living just in faith with Jesus is enough either. I believe in living out the Law. I have a friend who always says, "We are not under law anymore". But actually we are. We are under Jesus and Jesus illustrates the perfect law, so we are still under the law, it is just buffered by Jesus. We cannot hide behind Jesus and claim ignorance of what is right and what is wrong. Sometimes we can know and have the grace of Jesus but sometimes we need more specific instructions to know what is right and wrong.

However, for all the speaking everyone does of being a SINNER it seems contrary to how the same people are also the ones who claim we are not 'under the law' anymore. Where I am going with this is that when we do not stick with the boundaries we need and have been given by God to know right from wrong, and just claim Jesus' grace is enough, it really is not enough for us; we feel like sinners because we are shunning the law! We should feel like sinners.

But if we do both: if we first accept and have faith in Jesus, and then live under the law as given by Him and the Father and the Holy Spirit, then we will feel like the righteous and holy army that God had made us to be.

Wrong. We aren't under the law. We can't live by the rules on our own. If the holy spirit has entered your heart you will effortlessly live "more" by the law because you will gain a stronger conscience, but that is not through your own effort. We can never live by the law. The laws don't even exist for us. There is only one law: Love others as you love God.

 

[J. Bleize]

I'm not going to look for verses, just read the Bible. Romans is the book in question I believe.

 

[AphroditeGoneAwry]

Wrong. We aren't under the law. We can't live by the rules on our own. If the holy spirit has entered your heart you will effortlessly live "more" by the law because you will gain a stronger conscience, but that is not through your own effort. We can never live by the law. The laws don't even exist for us. There is only one law: Love others as you love God.

Actually we can live out God's commandments. We may not do them perfectly, but we are called to try.

It's Jesus that softens the edges of that when we fail and guides us onward. It is the Holy Spirit that makes it personal and unique. But God the Father demands righteousness from us.

 

[J. Bleize]

Actually we can live out God's commandments. We may not do them perfectly, but we are called to try.

It's Jesus that softens the edges of that when we fail and guides us onward. It is the Holy Spirit that makes it personal and unique. But God the Father demands righteousness from us.

Righteousness which we acquire purely through the fact that we are washed free of ALL sin by the blood of Jesus Christ, have His Holy Spirit in us, and thus we are righteous in the eyes of God? We do not have to try anything. You will want to, of course. But we do not have to. You can't do the same sin over and over and say "Look God, I'm doing sin, forgive me in five minutes please." which would mean that you probably haven't really accepted the Holy Spirit, which is why it would be quite disastrous if masturbation were a sin.

 

[AphroditeGoneAwry]

I respectfully disagree.

But I do agree that masturbation is not a sin.

 

[Dave-W]

Righteousness which we acquire purely through the fact that we are washed free of ALL sin by the blood of Jesus Christ, have His Holy Spirit in us, and thus we are righteous in the eyes of God? We do not have to try anything. You will want to, of course. But we do not have to. You can't do the same sin over and over and say "Look God, I'm doing sin, forgive me in five minutes please." which would mean that you probably haven't really accepted the Holy Spirit, which is why it would be quite disastrous if masturbation were a sin.

I respectfully disagree.
But I do agree that masturbation is not a sin.

I have to concur with Aphrodite on both points.

 

[Messy]

It's a sin. It's unclean demonic influence you give yourself over to. You have to repent and kick it out and stay away from wrong places.

 

[J. Bleize]

It's a sin. It's unclean demonic influence you give yourself over to. You have to repent and kick it out and stay away from wrong places.

I'm still not sure if it's a sin.. but I do wonder if Satan would cringe at seeing someone touch and shout "No! Another one out of my grasp!" or if he would join in.

 

[dayhiker]

It seems to me that Paul helps us with this:
1 Tim.4 1Now the Spirit expressly says that in later times some will depart from the faith by devoting themselves to deceitful spirits and teachings of demons, 2through the insincerity of liars whose consciences are seared, 3who forbid marriage and require abstinence from foods that God created to be received with thanksgiving by those who believe and know the truth. 4For everything created by God is good, and nothing is to be rejected if it is received with thanksgiving, 5for it is made holy by the word of God and prayer.

Seems to me that deceiftful spirits are involved in forbidding things, marriage and food is listed by Paul here. These things are created by God and we are to receive them with thanksgiving. Indeed, everything created by God is good and not to be rejected if received with thanksgiving for they are made holy by God's word and by prayer.

This is why I think we should thank God for pleasure. It wasn't created by Satan, pleasure was created by God. So when we pray and believe they are made holy. SO many of us were brought up thinking God was pleased with the more things we denied our self. But what parent celebrates my kid didn't play ball, my kid didn't dance, my kid didn't go out side and play, my kids just took a nibble of the food I cooked. No we love when they relish the good things we provide for them. God has provided beauty beyond measure as we look out our windows, birds play on the wind, flowers throwing off color, waves lapping the shore, mountains rising to the sky. And we don't have to just look, but we can go out and walk thru them with a thankful heart and receive the grace of God by faith and find peace in our soul.
But there is a greater creation than that, the people around us who were created in the image of God. What joy to stop and sit with them and hear what they are learning, to talk about where we have been traveling, to look into their eyes and see their heart full of love. To hug them and feel our souls touching as our heart wants the best for them.
Then Jesus says to love our self as we love our neighbor. What a blessing that we have good mirrors that no person in the Bible had and we can clearly see our self, not just a reflection in a pool of water. We can see our eyes and feel love for our self in a way no Bible person could. If we choose to touch and love our self that way, to feel that pleasure before we go out into the world where people don't take time to be kind to us. I think God is in that, I know He is in it with me because I think him as Jesus and Paul said.

 

[J. Bleize]

It seems to me that Paul helps us with this:
1 Tim.4 1Now the Spirit expressly says that in later times some will depart from the faith by devoting themselves to deceitful spirits and teachings of demons, 2through the insincerity of liars whose consciences are seared, 3who forbid marriage and require abstinence from foods that God created to be received with thanksgiving by those who believe and know the truth. 4For everything created by God is good, and nothing is to be rejected if it is received with thanksgiving, 5for it is made holy by the word of God and prayer.

Seems to me that deceiftful spirits are involved in forbidding things, marriage and food is listed by Paul here. These things are created by God and we are to receive them with thanksgiving. Indeed, everything created by God is good and not to be rejected if received with thanksgiving for they are made holy by God's word and by prayer.

This is why I think we should thank God for pleasure. It wasn't created by Satan, pleasure was created by God. So when we pray and believe they are made holy. SO many of us were brought up thinking God was pleased with the more things we denied our self. But what parent celebrates my kid didn't play ball, my kid didn't dance, my kid didn't go out side and play, my kids just took a nibble of the food I cooked. No we love when they relish the good things we provide for them. God has provided beauty beyond measure as we look out our windows, birds play on the wind, flowers throwing off color, waves lapping the shore, mountains rising to the sky. And we don't have to just look, but we can go out and walk thru them with a thankful heart and receive the grace of God by faith and find peace in our soul.
But there is a greater creation than that, the people around us who were created in the image of God. What joy to stop and sit with them and hear what they are learning, to talk about where we have been traveling, to look into their eyes and see their heart full of love. To hug them and feel our souls touching as our heart wants the best for them.
Then Jesus says to love our self as we love our neighbor. What a blessing that we have good mirrors that no person in the Bible had and we can clearly see our self, not just a reflection in a pool of water. We can see our eyes and feel love for our self in a way no Bible person could. If we choose to touch and love our self that way, to feel that pleasure before we go out into the world where people don't take time to be kind to us. I think God is in that, I know He is in it with me because I think him as Jesus and Paul said.

I admire your peaceful way of seeing things, but, as always, the Satan question still lingers. I simply can't imagine him not liking it when someone masturbates. This doesn't mean that masturbation is in itself a gift from Satan, but it can definitely be used by him.

 

[toramei]

Masturbation enhances a relationship with your wife.We have done this for many years.After my wife gave birth to our last child my wife's doctor called us for a consultation.The doctor explained that her pregnancy was a difficult one.He then proceeded to tell us it would be better if my wife would get her tubes tied.Then the doctor realized that would be risky for my wife then he told us it would be better for me to have a vasectomy.We prayed about this and I had a vasectomy done.After the procedure was done I was told that I will have to give the lab sperm samples for a period of time to make sure that the vasectomy was a success.So that meant I had to touch for quite some time.
Most of this thread people are saying it is wrong or a sin.A sin is something you are doing against GOD'S will.
Picture this a spouse is serving in the military and is stationed overseas for his deployment the wife is left at home with their children.After several months the wife is lonely and her hormones are quite high what does she do.The most logical reaction would be to think about her husband and touch.Masturbation was given by GOD for us to use how we use it is what we will be judged by GOD.
Having young children at home we as parents had to explain to our sons and daughter what feelings they were experiencing.The absolute truth was told as GOD would have us do.
Be still and know GOD.

 

[toLiJC]

But my real question is, is it a sin if you do it and not look at porn. Because I do touch but I don't don't look at other women.

if you could not succeed abstaining from it despite all efforts that you made, then it should not be problematic, but there could be more complications if you do it without woman

Blessings

 

[Steven Wood]

But my real question is, is it a sin if you do it and not look at porn. Because I do touch but I don't don't look at other women.

I know the topic is a heated one but yes it is a sin. Researching the Bible in depth will tell you. Though the topic isn't really ever mentioned other than the one time which was mentioned before in this thread with Onin spilling his seed. ( The act of pulling out was a form of masturbation, not only did he disobey by not fulfilling the obligation of furthering his dead brothers lineage but he basically used his dead brothers wife i.e. his wife for self gratification)But the entire act of eating the fruit which wasn't eating it was partaking. Directly after. Adam and eve became aware that they were naked and made clothes and were ashamed and hid from GOD. God asked who told them they were naked. The Bible says Evil can't be in the presence in the LORD and all things evil will be hidden and done in secret. The fruit was from the knowledge of good and evil. If they ate it. They found out they were naked and then hid from GOD they did something evil evolving nakedness. They were made aware of self and found out that sex felt really good and did it just to please themselves not to show love and please each other and to bare children. There's a reason it's called making love and also a reason That most depravity has to do with sex. The act of sex was meant to show the ultimate love for your one and only partner. Not to just make yourself feel good. Once it became about self it lost it's meaning and became sin and evil and death came into the world through children. Sorry the explanation was so long.

 

[toramei]

Adam and Eve did eat from the tree they were told not to.So when they did eat they realized that they did indeed do something wrong.So this was something they decided they had to try to hide their disobedience.The fact that they were still naked was not wrong because GOD created them and saw that it was good.So man decided to hide his wrong doing.GOD did not say it is a good thing you hid and then GOD asked " who told you that you were naked "?Who was present in the garden? Present were Adam and Eve there was GOD and then there was satan.So who did Adam and Eve listen to ?
Back to the masturbation talk " who told you that it is wrong ? "Is there a commandment that the LORD has said no sexual feelings permitted.Masturbation is a sexual feeling is it not?

 

[J. Bleize]

Is everyone going to ignore the fact that Satan probably licks his lips when he sees someone masturbating? I can even imagine him lending a hand. I don't know if that means it's sin, but I would like some thoughts on this.

 

[toramei]

Satan enjoys disruption he enjoys people having heated discussions and having tempers rage.The best thing he likes is that you are not close with GOD or your family.GOD is the only one that can judge it is not ours to do.Satan did not create sex GOD did.

 

[Steven Wood]

Adam and Eve did eat from the tree they were told not to.So when they did eat they realized that they did indeed do something wrong.So this was something they decided they had to try to hide their disobedience.The fact that they were still naked was not wrong because GOD created them and saw that it was good.So man decided to hide his wrong doing.GOD did not say it is a good thing you hid and then GOD asked " who told you that you were naked "?Who was present in the garden? Present were Adam and Eve there was GOD and then there was satan.So who did Adam and Eve listen to ?
Back to the masturbation talk " who told you that it is wrong ? "Is there a commandment that the LORD has said no sexual feelings permitted.Masturbation is a sexual feeling is it not?

Yes they did eat from the tree. Please Look at the Strong's concordance for Genesis 2:17 for an explanation and it The Bible also uses the word "partake" instead of eat in many translations. GOD Looked at Man and saw his creation as good, not his nakedness as good. As for A sexual feeling being a sin. I didn't say that. I said When it became about self instead of being about the true meaning. The expression of love for your partner it became a sin.If you have a basic understanding of Jesus' teachings he tells you plainly to deny yourself, live for others, strive and try your best to live like him. No one will enter the kingdom of heaven but through the son and unless they know the son. Now if your lot in life is to strive and be like Jesus and follow his teachings and how he lived. He says to deny yourself, to love others more than yourself, to put yourself last in all things(even sex) Do you see Jesus masturbating? The Bible says to deny the flesh. Self gratification whether it be masturbation or just having sex to make yourself feel good is purely flesh. In saying that I also say this everyone falls short of the grace of GOD. If we didn't Then there'd be no reason for Jesus. Sin is sin is sin whether it's masturbation, adultery, or cheating on you taxes, it's the same.

 

[J. Bleize]

Satan enjoys disruption he enjoys people having heated discussions and having tempers rage.The best thing he likes is that you are not close with GOD or your family.GOD is the only one that can judge it is not ours to do.Satan did not create sex GOD did.

Why do you pretend to know Satan so well? God is the only one that may judge humans yes. But we are free to judge everything else, including God. How else do we tell right from wrong? Satan didn't create sex, you are right, but he can take from God's creation and twist it and corrupt it to create his own form thereof.
Back to my question: Can anyone honestly proclaim to visualize Satan cursing and sighing in defeat next to them while they are masturbating? It is a troubling thought for me that no one can answer this question with a "yes".

 

[Steven Wood]

It seems to me that Paul helps us with this:
1 Tim.4 1Now the Spirit expressly says that in later times some will depart from the faith by devoting themselves to deceitful spirits and teachings of demons, 2through the insincerity of liars whose consciences are seared, 3who forbid marriage and require abstinence from foods that God created to be received with thanksgiving by those who believe and know the truth. 4For everything created by God is good, and nothing is to be rejected if it is received with thanksgiving, 5for it is made holy by the word of God and prayer.

Seems to me that deceiftful spirits are involved in forbidding things, marriage and food is listed by Paul here. These things are created by God and we are to receive them with thanksgiving. Indeed, everything created by God is good and not to be rejected if received with thanksgiving for they are made holy by God's word and by prayer.

This is why I think we should thank God for pleasure. It wasn't created by Satan, pleasure was created by God. So when we pray and believe they are made holy. SO many of us were brought up thinking God was pleased with the more things we denied our self. But what parent celebrates my kid didn't play ball, my kid didn't dance, my kid didn't go out side and play, my kids just took a nibble of the food I cooked. No we love when they relish the good things we provide for them. God has provided beauty beyond measure as we look out our windows, birds play on the wind, flowers throwing off color, waves lapping the shore, mountains rising to the sky. And we don't have to just look, but we can go out and walk thru them with a thankful heart and receive the grace of God by faith and find peace in our soul.
But there is a greater creation than that, the people around us who were created in the image of God. What joy to stop and sit with them and hear what they are learning, to talk about where we have been traveling, to look into their eyes and see their heart full of love. To hug them and feel our souls touching as our heart wants the best for them.
Then Jesus says to love our self as we love our neighbor. What a blessing that we have good mirrors that no person in the Bible had and we can clearly see our self, not just a reflection in a pool of water. We can see our eyes and feel love for our self in a way no Bible person could. If we choose to touch and love our self that way, to feel that pleasure before we go out into the world where people don't take time to be kind to us. I think God is in that, I know He is in it with me because I think him as Jesus and Paul said.[/QUOTe
You couldn't be more wrong and mislead. In this Paul was referring to the vision Peter had of the sheet being lowered from Heaven with unclean animals and a voice telling him to kill and eat. As for marriage Paul himself said it's better to be single if you have the will power. Check out 1st Corinthians 7:7-9. You say it's deceitful spirits forbidding things, I say that's really funny because GOD himself forbade many things for our own good. Your thinking follows Gnosticism and new age thought which blatantly goes against GOD. It's through thinking like yours that pestilence, Disease, War, Gluttony, and death came into this world. "Deny yourself no good thing". In all truth Anything in excess is a sin. Period.