Is God Punishing the US?

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well, i dont seem too many Americans flocking to those countries...

in a way they kinda dont have to

the ways of those coiunries r coming to us... via Mr Communist President Obama

Interpunction and proper diction are also communist, apparently.

Nevertheless, you haven't quite convinced me that POTUS is a communist; simply saying it over and over again doesn't make it true. Can you tell me, in a more-or-less analytical fashion, why you believe it to be so?

I realise I'm tempting a Godwin here, but a side-by-side comparison of Obama and an actual communist - let's take the path less trodden and go for, oh, say, Trotski this time - would be helpful.
 
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History repeats itself - In the Bible people wanted a King, God did not - but he let them have one anyway - you see where that ended up.

Just as many in America wants a nanny state - take care of them from cradel to grave - we may be getting what some are wanting.

But any way you look at it - either we are being punished or the end times are winding down. The Bible says that in the end times right would look wrong and good would look bad - that is where we are now. If we are being punished, we deserve it - over 50 million babies blood on this land - we stand by and allow things being done to our unborn that we would be put in jail if we did it to dogs or animals.
What person in their right mind would vote to have babies in late term have a hole punched in its head and its brain sucked out and in earlier stages, being sucked out through a tube piece by piece, how God's heart must break. A person described a vision he had where Jesus was holding the world in his arms and so many tears were streaming forth that it was raining all over the world, all because of the abortions of God's precious creation.

This country was blessed for so many years and it is soooo sad to see it being destroyed now by the people that want a different country. End times or punishment? - either way we deserve it - we elect them.
 
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The US has been greatly blessed by God. We have, in response, shunned him from public life, and laughed at his commandments and his revelation.

Surprise, we're not getting blessed like we used to!

Our society is beginning to crumble because of the natural laws of wickedness. The punishment that we are receiving is the punishment of Romans 1. God is giving us over to ourselves.
 
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Interpunction and proper diction are also communist, apparently.

Nevertheless, you haven't quite convinced me that POTUS is a communist; simply saying it over and over again doesn't make it true. Can you tell me, in a more-or-less analytical fashion, why you believe it to be so?

I realise I'm tempting a Godwin here, but a side-by-side comparison of Obama and an actual communist - let's take the path less trodden and go for, oh, say, Trotski this time - would be helpful.

Does it count as a Godwin if I invoke Fascism?

Personally I don't think Obama is a communist per say. I think he is a leftist and would be more aptly described as a fascist.

The caveat there is that most people today don't really understand fascism. Fascism is usually described as ultra-right wing because in its historical forms it was nationalistic. However, Fascism fundamentally is a left-wing movement, not right-wing.

Fascism historically started out as socialist movements which adapted socialism to a kind of crony capitalism which has been called "corporatism" or sometimes "syndaclism". In either case the general idea is that industry does the bidding of the government, and in exchange the government ensures market and capital benefits to industry.

This is essentially what the Obama Administration has done in a number of cases.

Fascism, however, is fundamentally not an economic theory. Fascism is largely utilitarian in economic terms. The real goal of fascism is the creation of totalitarian community. Creating a society in which the rights of the individual are subsumed under the good of the community. The community becomes all important and its needs trump the rights of the individual.

In a sense you could almost say that communism is one form of fascism in which the community is economically defined. While in historic fascism the community was either racially or nationally defined.

Obama's former pastor, Jeremiah Write, for example, would fit pretty well into the classic fascist mold because he defined the community primarily by race.

Obama himself has gone for a broader market, probably because he realizes that classical race based fascism could never succeed in the US. As a result he is trying to define the community along a mixture of lines. He still plays somewhat to the economic community in fostering class struggle, and he still plays somewhat to the race community, but ultimately he is trying to re-invent the national community.

If you look down the line at the tactics that have been used by the left in the US and the Obama administration in particular, it is a virtual dictionary of fascist tactics.

However, it is also worthy of note that the fascist movement has been present in america a long time. Teddy Roosevelt had some fascist tendencies and philosophies, as did Woodrow Wilson, and FDR as well.


If anyone is interested in this topic I HIGHLY recommend Jonah Goldberg's excellent book Liberal Fascism. It should be required reading!


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I thought I would add this note. I came to this realization a while ago as I was thinking about this issue. There have been many counterfeit religions and churches down through history. Fascism, and its cousin Communism, are essentially atheism's version of or answer to the Church. They are essentially anti-churches.
 
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The US has been greatly blessed by God. We have, in response, shunned him from public life, and laughed at his commandments and his revelation.

Surprise, we're not getting blessed like we used to!

Our society is beginning to crumble because of the natural laws of wickedness. The punishment that we are receiving is the punishment of Romans 1. God is giving us over to ourselves.

:thumbsup: We are our own worst enemy.
 
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Yes by allowing a foreigner to take office who hates freedom and religion, we are being punished for shaking our fist at God.

Bearing false witness against your neighbor, in this case, President Obama, is against the 9th commandment and a grave sin.

Hate to be the one to inform you of this, but truth hurts. :D

Jim
 
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I thought I would add this note. I came to this realization a while ago as I was thinking about this issue. There have been many counterfeit religions and churches down through history. Fascism, and its cousin Communism, are essentially atheism's version of or answer to the Church. They are essentially anti-churches.

Excellent post.
 
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Actually, I think God has blessed the USA, and His blessings have been especially grand lately.

We enjoy a high standard of living, the economy is significantly better than it was four years ago, we have abundant food, fuel, and resources, have not suffered a terrorist attack in over a decade, have been spared the ravages of earthquakes and tsunamis, violent crime rate has been dropping for twenty years, we have more civil freedoms than almost anywhere else, and we have a wonderful Christian family-man as President, whom we elected through our civilized, peaceful process.

I think God blessed us in these ways because he is pleased that we are striving, 'though imperfectly of course, to live by His commandment to love one another.

Furthermore, I predict that God will continue to bless us by allowing us to peacefully and lawfully re-elect this fine Christian president.

The primary assumption of the OP's thesis seems unsupported by the data at hand.

See how easy this game is, OP?

Yours in Christ, Myshkin.
 
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Hawaii, is a land is constant flux.

Sometimes its the 50th State of the USA

Sometimes it's an Muslim country.

Go figure.

That explains so much.

I don't think God cares much about countries or political ideals, as there is a bit of truth in all of them; He's more concerned about how people on a worldly basis treat each other in the long haul.

Also, religion and politics tend not to play well together. Religion should influence the voters, not the system itself.
 
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That explains so much.

I don't think God cares much about countries or political ideals, as there is a bit of truth in all of them; He's more concerned about how people on a worldly basis treat each other in the long haul.

Also, religion and politics tend not to play well together. Religion should influence the voters, not the system itself.

Now to the really important issue: Are you a lefty guitarist or is your avatar a reversed negative, or did you just think it was a cool picture?
 
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God is not punishing us.

His "permissive will" is sitting back watching our stupidity.

Primarily greed. We squander natural resources. We invite global warming by using energy carelessly. We watch the rest of the world starving and suffering, and see need in our own towns and shrug our shoulders.

God doesn't have to do a thing. We're doing it to ourselves.
 
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Bearing false witness against your neighbor, in this case, President Obama, is against the 9th commandment and a grave sin.

Hate to be the one to inform you of this, but truth hurts. :D

Jim
I ain't bearing false witness. You have said no truth here and that idiot is not my president he hates America and wants to destroy it.
 
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Possible signs that God is punishing the U.S.:

The New York Giants keep winning superbowls

The Kardashians keep getting picked up on television

Lindsey Lohan keeps her driver's license

Newt Gingrich is still running for office

Justin Beiber is everywhere

Twilight movies are a huge hit

Pink slime is being fed to elementary school kids

There's arsnic in our orange juice

Ridley Scott is thinking about re-making Blade Runner



All these are possible apocalyptic indicators :p
 
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Possible signs that God is punishing the U.S.:

The New York Giants keep winning superbowls

The Kardashians keep getting picked up on television

Lindsey Lohan keeps her driver's license

Newt Gingrich is still running for office

Justin Beiber is everywhere

Twilight movies are a huge hit

Pink slime is being fed to elementary school kids

There's arsnic in our orange juice

Ridley Scott is thinking about re-making Blade Runner



All these are possible apocalyptic indicators :p

On second thought, I take that back. God hates the U.S.
 
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Now to the really important issue: Are you a lefty guitarist or is your avatar a reversed negative, or did you just think it was a cool picture?

I'm a lefty: that's the model of my guitar, right done to the fretboard wood. It stinks, almost every guitar store I go to tells me to play righty, "you'll get more options, man!" without realizing that it's like telling a righty to write legibly with their left hand.

I wonder if lefties can claim minority rights and oppression by the righty majority.
 
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I'm a lefty: that's the model of my guitar, right done to the fretboard wood. It stinks, almost every guitar store I go to tells me to play righty, "you'll get more options, man!" without realizing that it's like telling a righty to write legibly with their left hand.

I wonder if lefties can claim minority rights and oppression by the righty majority.

No. Hendrix kinda ruined all claim to minority rights for the lefties. :p
 
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Possible signs that God is punishing the U.S.:

The New York Giants keep winning superbowls

The Kardashians keep getting picked up on television

Lindsey Lohan keeps her driver's license

Newt Gingrich is still running for office

Justin Beiber is everywhere

Twilight movies are a huge hit

Pink slime is being fed to elementary school kids

There's arsnic in our orange juice

Ridley Scott is thinking about re-making Blade Runner



All these are possible apocalyptic indicators :p


NY is Babylon, the Yankees a group of AntiChrists and the Giants are the false prophets.
 
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No. Hendrix kinda ruined all claim to minority rights for the lefties. :p

Hendrix wasn't the average-Joe guitar player. If he wanted an extremely unique custom guitar, he got said guitar. Not so for the rest of us. I walk into any store and get shown a corner with two lefty guitars while there are three hundred righty guitars.
 
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