Illegal immigrants could sway elections, experts warn

[Hans Blaster]

Because they are future voters.

Again... So what? How would they be any different from any other baby born in this country this year?

 

[loveofourlord]

yeah, this actually does effect electins and such I believe republicans gained to seats last time from it.

 

[BPPLEE]

Again... So what? How would they be any different from any other baby born in this country this year?

They are the result of the huge surge of people who crossed the border illegally recently and either applied for asylum or just came in illegally.

 

[Hans Blaster]

They are the result of the huge surge of people who crossed the border illegally recently and either applied for asylum or just came in illegally.

Does that mean that something about your parents controls your value as a native born citizen or potential voter? I'm a bit confused by your point about these prospective children that haven't been born yet.

 

[BPPLEE]

Does that mean that something about your parents controls your value as a native born citizen or potential voter? I'm a bit confused by your point about these prospective children that haven't been born yet.

You’re trying to ascribe some aspect or label to it to refute. It’s just a fact. The large number of people coming here illegally are going to produce future voters who can vote legally.

 

[Hans Blaster]

The large number of people coming here illegally are going to produce future voters who can vote legally.

So what?

 

[wing2000]

You’re trying to ascribe some aspect or label to it to refute. It’s just a fact. The large number of people coming here illegally are going to produce future voters who can vote legally.

...and you have 18 years to influence these would be voters. But that isn't the argument the op's lead post is making. It suggest that increased immigration will increase the allocation of representatives in Congress when the next census occurs.

 

[wing2000]

Since no one seems to have answered the question. The 14th Amendment (which removes the 3/5ths stuff) says

"counting the whole number of persons in each State, excluding Indians not taxed."

The Constitution does not say citizens, it says persons.

Don't like it? Amend it. But that's the constitution on the subject.

Thank you. Biden was simply following what the Consitution prescribes.

Illegal immigrants could sway elections, experts warn

Immigration experts warn that illegal immigrants could impact the apportionment of seats in the House, as well as Electoral College votes.

americanmilitarynews.com

Immigration experts have warned that the unprecedented number of illegal immigrants entering the United States could have a significant impact on the apportionment of seats in the House of Representatives, as well as Electoral College votes.
After Biden’s inauguration in January of 2021, the president signed an executive order requiring the U.S. Census Bureau to determine the population of each state in the United States “without regard to whether its residents are in lawful immigration status.”
Experts have warned that both electoral votes for presidential elections and the apportionment of seats in the House of Representatives could be impacted by the inclusion of illegal immigrants in the decennial census, which could diminish the power of the American voter.

 

[BPPLEE]

...and you have 18 years to influence these would be voters. But that isn't the argument the op's lead post is making. It suggest that increased immigration will increase the allocation of representatives in Congress when the next census occurs.

Won’t it?

 

[Vambram]

It makes zero sense to me that you’d want to exclude what possibly amounts to millions of people from a national population count.

It makes zero sense to me why you would want to include an illegal population into a national, state, county, and local population count.

 

[BCP1928]

It makes zero sense to me why you would want to include an illegal population into a national, state, county, and local population count.

Because the Constitution requires it.

 

[Vambram]

Because the Constitution requires it.

No, it does not.

 

[BCP1928]

No, it does not.

The Constitution (Article 1, section 2) requires the census to enumerate the whole number of persons residing in the United States. Analysis of original intent and case law makes it clear that "persons" does not mean the same as "citizens." Trump tried to get it changed, but it is so imbedded in the Constitution he couldn't do it without major legislation, maybe an amendment.

 

[Vambram]

Analysis of the original intent of the law makes it clear to me that "persons" does indeed mean the same thing as "citizens."

 

[GoldenBoy89]

It makes zero sense to me why you would want to include an illegal population into a national, state, county, and local population count.

Because they’re part of the population.

I thought that would be obvious.

 

[BCP1928]

Analysis of the original intent of the law makes it clear to me that "persons" does indeed mean the same thing as "citizens."

OK, and if it ever comes before the courts again you can submit in an Amicus brief.

 

[Vambram]

Because they’re part of the population.

I thought that would be obvious.

What part of "illegal" is not obvious?

 

[BPPLEE]

The Constitution (Article 1, section 2) requires the census to enumerate the whole number of persons residing in the United States. Analysis of original intent and case law makes it clear that "persons" does not mean the same as "citizens." Trump tried to get it changed, but it is so imbedded in the Constitution he couldn't do it without major legislation, maybe an amendment.

I thought it was tried to just get the question on the census “Are you a US citizen?” and they couldn’t even do that

 

[BCP1928]

I thought it was tried to just get the question on the census “Are you a US citizen?” and they couldn’t even do that

Right. The purpose of the census is to determine the number of persons in the country, not the number of citizens. It is an important number in itself, as it determines the total number of persons under the jurisdiction of the united states rather than just the number of citizens.

 

[Arcangl86]

Analysis of the original intent of the law makes it clear to me that "persons" does indeed mean the same thing as "citizens."

What are you basing your analysis of original intent on?