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<blockquote data-quote="Hawkins" data-source="post: 68443404" data-attributes="member: 109374"><p>I posted this a while ago. Hope it helps.</p><p></p><p>Under the influence of secular education, everyone is treating any truth as a scientific truth which should be well evidenced. However in reality, not all truth is a scientific truth. For example, history as a category of truth is mostly without evidence. Humans basically have no access to history as a whole till an event or a figure is famous enough for humans at that time to document it/him down. Humans later will rely on faith in the document to get a clue on what had happened. If the grandpa of your grandpa is a no body, then you may never prove his existence (what he had said and done) with evidence.</p><p></p><p>Evidence is over emphasized under secular education. Humans basically don't rely on evidence at all to reach a truth. They rely more often on witnessing to reach a truth. Even in the case when the kind of truth can be evidenced, such as science, humans in majority don't bother to examine the evidence. You don't use a telescope to tell that earth is revolving around the sun. You rely on believing a small group of humans called scientists to get to the truth.</p><p></p><p>That being said, the difference between history and religion doesn't lay on whether things can be evidenced. The difference is that history is more believable as history is about daily matters we can speculate on a daily basis even nowadays. Religion however is more or less about supernatural encounters normal folks can hardly experience. It has nothing to do with evidence.</p><p></p><p>If God has a good reason to hide behind (and He does), the only way left for Him to keep humans informed of is by showing up to a small group of humans for them to write about Him, and for the rest of humans in later history to believe what is said about Him to reach the truth. There's no other way round. To put it another way, if God is a truth believing in what being said by His witnesses is the only way to reach such a truth. There's no other way round.</p><p></p><p>Not all the gods of other religions have a good reason to avoid direct encounters of humans. If the gods are superior and they really care about humans, they should show up to guide humans. They don't usually have a good reason to hide behind. The Christianity God has a good reason because He granted the covenant to humans. The covenant demands human faith for humans to be saved. If He shows up to everyone, it simultaneously means no humans can be saved at all.</p><p></p><p>If on the other hand He doesn't show up at all, then no humans can be informed of His existence and His requirements set forth for humans to follow. The only way which works is for Him to show up to the dedicated witnesses for them to write about Him then for the rest to believe.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Hawkins, post: 68443404, member: 109374"] I posted this a while ago. Hope it helps. Under the influence of secular education, everyone is treating any truth as a scientific truth which should be well evidenced. However in reality, not all truth is a scientific truth. For example, history as a category of truth is mostly without evidence. Humans basically have no access to history as a whole till an event or a figure is famous enough for humans at that time to document it/him down. Humans later will rely on faith in the document to get a clue on what had happened. If the grandpa of your grandpa is a no body, then you may never prove his existence (what he had said and done) with evidence. Evidence is over emphasized under secular education. Humans basically don't rely on evidence at all to reach a truth. They rely more often on witnessing to reach a truth. Even in the case when the kind of truth can be evidenced, such as science, humans in majority don't bother to examine the evidence. You don't use a telescope to tell that earth is revolving around the sun. You rely on believing a small group of humans called scientists to get to the truth. That being said, the difference between history and religion doesn't lay on whether things can be evidenced. The difference is that history is more believable as history is about daily matters we can speculate on a daily basis even nowadays. Religion however is more or less about supernatural encounters normal folks can hardly experience. It has nothing to do with evidence. If God has a good reason to hide behind (and He does), the only way left for Him to keep humans informed of is by showing up to a small group of humans for them to write about Him, and for the rest of humans in later history to believe what is said about Him to reach the truth. There's no other way round. To put it another way, if God is a truth believing in what being said by His witnesses is the only way to reach such a truth. There's no other way round. Not all the gods of other religions have a good reason to avoid direct encounters of humans. If the gods are superior and they really care about humans, they should show up to guide humans. They don't usually have a good reason to hide behind. The Christianity God has a good reason because He granted the covenant to humans. The covenant demands human faith for humans to be saved. If He shows up to everyone, it simultaneously means no humans can be saved at all. If on the other hand He doesn't show up at all, then no humans can be informed of His existence and His requirements set forth for humans to follow. The only way which works is for Him to show up to the dedicated witnesses for them to write about Him then for the rest to believe. [/QUOTE]
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