I Invite you for Discussion on Icons in the Lutheran Section

[Maximus]

First, the Lutherans hold to the Seventh Ecumenical Council, at least, it's in the Book of Concord. Second, we're not allowed to debate in their forum. Third, we really don't have to argue. The people over there can take care of it.

Now that is interesting.

I was Lutheran before becoming Orthodox, but I did not know that (the part about the Seventh Council, I mean).

If I keep on finding out how ignorant I am, how am I to maintain my self-esteem?

 

[Lotar]

Actually, the 7 Councils are not affirmed in the BoC, only the Creed. Early Lutheran theologians claimed to follow them in other writtings.

 

[gzt]

My bad. I got that messed up.

 

[Maximus]

Actually, the 7 Councils are not affirmed in the BoC, only the Creed. Early Lutheran theologians claimed to follow them in other writtings.

Oh, okay.

Self-esteem restored.

It would have been neat though.

 

[MORTANIUS]

I'd like to thank the few people that actually offered a defence to the issue and for those that even after being warned of the sensitivity of the issue, still felt it necessary to post (although pointlessly so)

Alexis OCA made one particular comment that made me realize something. I am not interested in considering Orthodoxy anymore thanks to his answer that confirmed my suspicions. I guess I took for granted where I was now. I believe I will be happy in my Church.

Thank you everyone and God Bless.

 

[gtsecc]

Archeologists have discovered icons in pre-Christian synagogues.



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[sin_vladimirov]

I'd like to thank the few people that actually offered a defence to the issue and for those that even after being warned of the sensitivity of the issue, still felt it necessary to post (although pointlessly so)

Alexis OCA made one particular comment that made me realize something. I am not interested in considering Orthodoxy anymore thanks to his answer that confirmed my suspicions. I guess I took for granted where I was now. I believe I will be happy in my Church.

Thank you everyone and God Bless.

Be well and prosper!



Thank you for sharing that with us... It was an eyeopener. I am not interested in coming to Canada (not that I ever wanted). I will be happy in my village!

 

[moses916]

hahaha, yeah, i don't like Canada either, i'm thinking of going back to the middle east! Go arabs/serbs!

 

[sin_vladimirov]

Oh, Canadians, I worked with lots of them, and at first I really could not pick the accents as Canadian, I though it was American. So I would ask them if the were Americans.. couple of time I had to duck LOL.. Now days, whenever I see one I ask him on purpose LOL.

 

[Dust and Ashes]

I'd like to thank the few people that actually offered a defence to the issue and for those that even after being warned of the sensitivity of the issue, still felt it necessary to post (although pointlessly so)

Alexis OCA made one particular comment that made me realize something. I am not interested in considering Orthodoxy anymore thanks to his answer that confirmed my suspicions. I guess I took for granted where I was now. I believe I will be happy in my Church.

Thank you everyone and God Bless.

Well, I'm sorry you are still clinging to your strawman but I do wish you well. You should fit in nicely in most any fundamentalist evangelical church as your prejudice and persistent refusal to see the glaring differences between your allegations of what we believe/practice and what we in fact believe/practice places you squarely in that camp.

Regardless, peace to you and yours.

Forgive me,

 

[Alexis OCA]

I'd like to thank the few people that actually offered a defence to the issue and for those that even after being warned of the sensitivity of the issue, still felt it necessary to post (although pointlessly so)

Alexis OCA made one particular comment that made me realize something. I am not interested in considering Orthodoxy anymore thanks to his answer that confirmed my suspicions. I guess I took for granted where I was now. I believe I will be happy in my Church.

Thank you everyone and God Bless.

Since I was mentioned here I will respond only to say that what I posted regarding icons and what Mort objected to was taken from the GOA web site...I will post it here for my orthodox brethren to check it's... uhhhhhh....orthodoxy.


This is what I posted:

"Icons occupy a very prominent place in Orthodox worship and theology. The icon is not simply decorative, inspirational, or educational. Most importantly, it signifies the presence of the individual depicted. The icon is like a window which links heaven and earth. When we worship we do so as part of the Church which includes the living and the departed. we never lost contact with those who are with the Lord in glory. This belief is expressed every time one venerates an icon or places a candle before it." (Emphasis mine).

Mort responded with this:

"Exactly! The Icon was taken from being a decorative and inspirational and educational image, to becoming glorified as something divine!

Thank you for confirming my suspicions."

It appears to me that he does not in any way understand, nor does he really want to understand what we believe.

 

[moses916]

hey Alexis, i'm glad u posted what u posted, i guess Mortanius doesn't like the truth!

 

[Maximus]

I checked out that thread briefly.

It is my impression that Mortanius had an agenda to pursue and he pursued it.

If a genuine inquirer wants information about Orthodoxy, he doesn't usually seek to acquire it by inviting us into a non-Orthodox venue.

Anyone who read Mortanius' OP on that thread could see what was coming: the usual iconoclast *stuff*.

 

[Dust and Ashes]

hey Alexis, i'm glad u posted what u posted, i guess Mortanius doesn't like the truth!

Same here. Great post.

 

[RedneckAnglican]

I just want to say that one of my best friends in the whole world who was a Russian Orthodox Priest (who has since passed away) had many of his icons on display in his office...He had one of St. Basil and one of St. Catherine...I don't really know much or understand the "orthodox" faith (or faiths) but I always wanted a St. Basil in my office...to remember my friend...

 

[Rilian]

Redneck, here is one if you're interested.

 

[Qoheleth]

It is no strange twist of fate that the most theologically educated from your own forum pray to saints.

Very neighborly of you Lotar, and quite true.

(can I still say its my forum though?)


Q

 

[gzt]

I think you're the coolest Lutheran I know of, that's a fact. Are they making more like you these days? Please tell me it's the latest trend at the seminaries...

 

[Oblio]

It appears to me that he does not in any way understand, nor does he really want to understand what we believe.

I agree on the first part, and strongly suspect (and did from the first 'question') that you are correct on the second.

 

[Rilian]

Qoheleth is a dying breed, if my experience is indicitive of anything.

[in answer to gzt]