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How much did the lend lease affect the Eastern Front?

Discussion in 'History & Genealogy' started by Panzerkamfwagen, Oct 17, 2012.

  1. Panzerkamfwagen

    Panzerkamfwagen Es braust unser Panzer im Sturmwind dahin.

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    I found a complete list here:

    That's a lot of stuff.

    Here's a few items:

    Some medicines:
    Various kinds of wire:

    gun powder:
    Every pound of powder is enough to load 175 of the Soviet rifle cartridges.

    The discussion evolved from this thread over in American politics.

    Here's another article about lend lease to the USSR

    Now the question is whether or not the western allies were decisive in winning the war in Russia.
     
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    The trucks were important but the tanks etc supplied were inferior to Russian ones. Ultimately it was the resolve of the Russian people etc to throw out another invader that was decisive - along with an improvement in the tactics of the Soviet army using their quantative edge - 'quantity has a quality all of its own etc' - its very hard to stand up to an army where they could deploy the densities of artillery etc that the Russians (Soviets) put into the field.
     
  3. Panzerkamfwagen

    Panzerkamfwagen Es braust unser Panzer im Sturmwind dahin.

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    My thesis was that without the western Allies, Russia would not have been able to stand up to the Germans, and I believe it because of three reasons.

    An army marches on its stomach. Without the trucks, for instance, the Russians can't move the shells up to their artillery as well. That also makes things more difficult for them to mass artillery once they reach the Polish frontier because they can't move their shells around as well. The Germans and the Russians also used different gauges of railroad.

    During the battle before Moscow, lots of the tanks that the Russians had were lend-lease from the western allies, so those certainly played a role.

    Also, the Soviet Union was barely able to feed itself. Look at the famines that plagued it before and immediately after World War 2 when they weren't receiving any food aid from the allies. The Germans also occupied much of the agricultural land of the USSR, so without that food, the Soviet Army probably starts to starve.

    If the UK had sued for peace after the Battle of France, and then the Germans also don't have a need to send forces to Africa or tie down hundreds of thousands of men in France and Norway.

    Any one of those things, the Soviet probably could have overcome, but I don't think they could have overcome all three of them.
     
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    Equally of course without the USSR war effort the Western Allies would have no chance of winning the war in Europe - a fact often ignored in many Western circles. I know the point you are making and I think it is relevant but I do think people need to avoid an approach that puts too much emphasis either on Western help or German failings as if otherwise Slavs are incapable of fighting and winning a war - a certain earlier Corporal learned that you underestimate Russians at your peril.
     
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    The trucks were a huge help, but the $500 million in machine tools was an enormous help to the Soviets in building the weapons used to destroy Germany.
     
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    The industrial might of the United States combined with the will of both England and Russia made the outcome of WW II all but inevitable.

    The safe from attack U.S. production facilities were unbeatable. But those facilities remained safe from attack because others were on the front lines.
     
  7. Panzerkamfwagen

    Panzerkamfwagen Es braust unser Panzer im Sturmwind dahin.

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    Even if the Japanese would have sunk the entire US battle fleet in a grand, decisive battle that they liked, and blown up all of the facilities at Pearl Harbor, they still would not have been able to mount a serious invasion of the United States. They simply didn't have the industrial might to build the ships to carry the supplies to do it.

    Even at the height of their power, the Soviet Union could not have invaded the United States.
     
  8. Panzerkamfwagen

    Panzerkamfwagen Es braust unser Panzer im Sturmwind dahin.

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    Found an interesting article about how much difference the LL aid and second front made:

    Thoughts?
     
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