allihyperkid said:
I hope I am not out of place here, I'm dropping in to mention a few things.
Welcome!! How are you?
allihyperkid said:
We all have struggles and temptations in different and sometimes similar situations.
Yes. . . this is true
allihyperkid said:
When it comes to sexual desire, God put it in man so we would "be fruitful and multiply" It's only by His grace that intercourse can be a pleasurable act.
this is true as well
allihyperkid said:
One thing that I keep in mind is abstinence. With God's strength anyone can turn from temptation.
??? what?
allihyperkid said:
It is much better and more admirable to work hard at being abstinent from "self satisfying" actions which can become an unhealthy addiction - than to toss it aside and give in. I think if it's something that the Lord would want from us, we should take the challenge and work at it and through it with the Lord's help.
Unhealthy addiction?? The same could be said with drinking and eating. If you overeat soon you could turn into Fat Albert. Should we stop eating altogether? Also if you get drunk a lot you could turn into Charles Manson (loolz, I kid, I kid). Does that mean to reinstate Prohibition? Just because something good can be potentially bad is a lame reason to just chuck it out the window. I bet if you found a computer virus on your laptop you'd throw the whole thing out, wouldn't you?
allihyperkid said:
I struggle with this, and God is working in me with my temptations. It is human nature to have a sexual desire, but it was made for more important things than just self satisfaction.
Yes, sexual desire is part of human nature (at least after puberty)
Masturbation=/=self satisfaction. At least not in the way that you put it.
allihyperkid said:
I believe if God made it for reproduction, it should be kept that way. Why else would sex before marriage be a sin? Because most times premarital sex is used for pleasure and not reproduction. It's used in the same way as masturbation is, minus the partner.
because sex before marriage is not a sin. Nowhere in the Bible is sex before marriage
specifically and explicitly mentioned. It may have been 'hinted' at to some degree, but that ain't good enough. One could use the word 'fornication' but if you look up the actual root word and greek/latin origins of it then you'd find that the actual definition is much different than the modern and oddly unanimous 'Christian' meaning that we hear frequently today. Also, why is it that when God really thought something to be important and wanted us to know it he tells us directly (10 commandments, thou shall not murder, thou shall not have any other God before me, etc) but then suddenly when it comes to sex and masturbation he is strangely less abrupt and upfront about it? Easy, because humans screwed it up. Humans screw everything up. . . . plain & simple
allihyperkid said:
Sex is meant to be kept between a man and a woman for child bearing. It is an intimacy which bonds a man and a woman together.
yes, but masturbation doesn't even fall in the same boat
allihyperkid said:
In most cases of masturbation it does require/ include lusting after anything. An image, an idea or simply desiring sexual stimulation.
No, wrong. . . if any image and idea that causes sexual stimulation was lust then I and the rest of the normal functioning humans on the earth may as well just have a ritual castration ordained while Slayer & Goatwhore are playing in the background. Read a dictionary, or go online and actually look up the definition of lust. No, actually I'll do it for you.
from dictionary.reference.com
Lust [luhst]  
1.
intense sexual desire or appetite.
2.
uncontrolled or illicit sexual desire or appetite; lecherousness.
3.
a passionate or overmastering desire or craving (usually followed by for ): a lust for power.
4.
ardent enthusiasm; zest; relish: an enviable lust for life.
5.
Obsolete .
a.
pleasure or delight.
b.
desire; inclination; wish.
notice how it says nothing about sexuality in of itself. No, rather it says excessive and ravenous sexual desire, the kind that makes you sweat at night while your sitting on your bed thinking about that one person. Not the kind that makes you feel funny in your pants. Wrong again. . .
allihyperkid said:
I hope I'm not overstepping any boundaries with what I'm saying.
No, of course not. I'm glad that you were able to express your thoughts without shame. That's what all people should do. Debate is actually quite healthy because the exchange of ideas causes new ones to pop up and old ones to evolve into better ones.
allihyperkid said:
I just want to point out that from what we know, Jesus did not give in to any desires when he was a human on earth. Our goal is to be like He was. Keep that in mind, though it does not address it specifically in the word, I think it's a sexual perversion- which is mentioned in the Word.
First of all, Christ was human, but he was also God at the same time.
Of course he wouldn't fall to any mere human temptations, it'd be foolery to think so. That assessment is crap. . . . but you're right about one thing, that still is not an excuse not to try anyways.
And also, masturbation as a sexual perversion, just like I said before, is never anywhere in any single verb, noun, adjective or adverb mentioned to be a sexual perversion. It isn't even mentioned at all, really. Your idea is merely a human construction. I also observed how you said that 'you think' that it is a sexual perversion. While I admire that you are using your head instead of your feelings to judge things your thought is wrong. Sorry, and have a nice day!!
allihyperkid said:
Take the challenge for Christ to turn from temptation. I pray you do, as I need prayer for the same thing.
God bless you.
lol what challenge??