Gun Deaths among US Children and Teens Rose 50% in Two Years

[dogs4thewin]

Well, there it is. The great American right to gladly forfeit safety for all in exchange for the freedom to die.

There is a such thing as handling guns safely remember what I said if someone has a gun they do not intend to use in a violent manner ( unless in defense that person can have a gun all day long and no one is harmed.

 

[Tropical Wilds]

so does that mean you are OK with people having guns as long as they are trained? Civilians can get training and if they are smart they train anyway, Shooting ranges ECT

LoL, oh, absolutely not.

I was being 100% sarcastic.

 

[dogs4thewin]

LoL, oh, absolutely not.

I was being 100% sarcastic.

so if someone gets training you have no issue with them having a gun?

 

[Tropical Wilds]

There is a such thing as handling guns safely remember what I said if someone has a gun they do not intend to use in a violent manner ( unless in defense that person can have a gun all day long and no one is harmed.

Oh, so guns don’t shoot if the person who has it doesn’t intend to use it in a violent manner? It’s weird. A kid here was shot in the chest by a gun. And I just watched a video of a guy who shot himself in the foot during a gun safety training. I wonder why they were choosing to be violent against themselves?

 

[dogs4thewin]

Our over-arching goal was to incur the fine and join the lawsuit by other schools who are doing similar and force a judicial decision instead of a legislative one. If it was simply a bribe in the form of a fine to be able to continue to ban guns on school property, I’d have agreed with your stance. However, having hit the wall with legislative actions, we were wanting to go another route.

basically hoping that the judges would side with the schools? How likely would that be?

 

[Tropical Wilds]

so if someone gets training you have no issue with them having a gun?

Some guns, sure.

On school property, no, no guns outside of law enforcement, military, or other professional who took more than an afternoon gun safety course.

 

[Tropical Wilds]

basically hoping that the judges would side with the schools? How likely would that be?

Extremely.

 

[dogs4thewin]

Oh, so guns don’t shoot if the person who has it doesn’t intend to use it in a violent manner? It’s weird. A kid here was shot in the chest by a gun. And I just watched a video of a guy who shot himself in the foot during a gun safety training. I wonder why they were choosing to be violent against themselves?

a person has to actually shoot the gun guns do not shoot themselves and if a person has no plans to use the gun they do not just go off ( with VERY few exceptions. As to the gun safety training that is why we have those courses it is HIGHLY likely that the gun was in some way being handled carelessly. Guns VERY rarely just go off.

 

[dogs4thewin]

Extremely.

any reason?

 

[dogs4thewin]

Some guns, sure.

On school property, no, no guns outside of law enforcement, military, or other professional who took more than an afternoon gun safety course.

What is it about school property then? A person is either trained or they are not. A person either can be trusted with a gun or they cannot being on certain property does not change that.

 

[InChristAlone525]

Well, there it is. The great American right to gladly forfeit safety for all in exchange for the freedom to die.

Um, I just said life before all the restrictions was peaceful, how does that equate to freedom to die? (I believe 9/11 was an inside job). Have you ever lived in the 90's?

 

[Brihaha]

That's not what the Constitution says.

Do tell us about the intentions behind our second amendment. Here's a quote from the article I'm posting. "At the time it was passed, it seems it was not intended to grant a right for private individuals to keep weapons for self defense". Toss in a couple rulings from a partisan Supreme Court and voila! Your constitution is interpreted falsely and Americans are forced to witness continual sacrifice of family, friends and neighbors. Sacrifice is the proper descriptor I might add. This is the polar opposite of God's commandment to love others as we love our guns, or selves. And folks like to claim America is a Christian nation. Hardy har har.

If Americans wanted to protect our children and neighbors, we would prioritize lives over politics. And vote accordingly. This is the crux of our gun violence issue. We have yet to prioritize lives of Americans. I have lived 55 years without shooting a gun at anyone. I absolutely know I don't need to carry one in public. Fear makes people act irrationally. Are Americans too scared to live without guns for peace of mind? That's a resounding Yes, with evidence daily.

Why do you think political parties are desperate to install partisan justices onto our Supreme Court nowadays? Because interpretations are now partisan and politics are far more important to our leaders than saving lives of constituents. We enjoyed 50 years of precedence regarding the abortion fiasco and look what politics has done for women?! All due to alternative interpretations of our constitution for political purposes. Methinks you will need to do better than a one liner in a discussion of this magnitude friend. You enjoy your day now. Peace

https://constitution.findlaw.com/amendment2.html#:~:text=Many%20historians%20agree%20that%20the,keep%20weapons%20for%20self%2Ddefense.

 

[Brihaha]

Alright extremist, I'm a gun owner I guess that means I support homicide!

No offense ma'am, but you haven't a clue who I am. I never said anything of the sort. I own weapons myself. Yet I don't need to worship them. I also respect fiscal responsibility, yet I cannot find a republican worth voting for lately. Dumb luck that lol. Peace

 

[Aussie Pete]

The big issue at yesterdays GOP debate, Gender affirming and girl's sports.

Yes, what will the band play while Titanic sinks?

 

[Brihaha]

Yes, what will the band play while Titanic sinks?

"Those were the days."
Theme song from All in the Family.

 

[dogs4thewin]

Do tell us about the intentions behind our second amendment. Here's a quote from the article I'm posting. "At the time it was passed, it seems it was not intended to grant a right for private individuals to keep weapons for self defense". Toss in a couple rulings from a partisan Supreme Court and voila! Your constitution is interpreted falsely and Americans are forced to witness continual sacrifice of family, friends and neighbors. Sacrifice is the proper descriptor I might add. This is the polar opposite of God's commandment to love others as we love our guns, or selves. And folks like to claim America is a Christian nation. Hardy har har.

If Americans wanted to protect our children and neighbors, we would prioritize lives over politics. And vote accordingly. This is the crux of our gun violence issue. We have yet to prioritize lives of Americans. I have lived 55 years without shooting a gun at anyone. I absolutely know I don't need to carry one in public. Fear makes people act irrationally. Are Americans too scared to live without guns for peace of mind? That's a resounding Yes, with evidence daily.

Why do you think political parties are desperate to install partisan justices onto our Supreme Court nowadays? Because interpretations are now partisan and politics are far more important to our leaders than saving lives of constituents. We enjoyed 50 years of precedence regarding the abortion fiasco and look what politics has done for women?! All due to alternative interpretations of our constitution for political purposes. Methinks you will need to do better than a one liner in a discussion of this magnitude friend. You enjoy your day now. Peace

https://constitution.findlaw.com/amendment2.html#:~:text=Many%20historians%20agree%20that%20the,keep%20weapons%20for%20self%2Ddefense.

and neither have the vast majority of gun owners shot anyone. There are 300 million guns in this country and millions of gun owners if the average gun owner was the problem we would know it as there would be MANY MANY more shootings than there are. As it is there are only about 50k gun deaths a year TOTAL deaths if the people who supposedly worship guns were the problem there would be 100,000s or millions of firearm deaths each year.

 

[Brihaha]

and neither have the vast majority of gun owners shot anyone. There are 300 million guns in this country and millions of gun owners if the average gun owner was the problem we would know it as there would be MANY MANY more shootings than there are. A it is there are only about 50k gun deaths a year TOTAL deaths if the people who supposedly worship guns were the problem there would be 100,000s or millions of firearm deaths each year.

My point is not about the worshippers directly causing the unnecessary gun violence problem, but their indirect culpability for the lax firearm restrictions in America. I am an average gun owner. I understand i am not the problem because I actually want better firearm regulation and mental health checks and yada yada yada. Boy, Self awareness has really diminished in our nation. Many people shan't be inconvenienced by waiting a day or two for the background check to go thru. This is a problem for those of us who want to decrease the number of unnecessary deaths from gun violence. If we weren't so tribal about everything communication would be possible and solutions could be discovered. You will never find solutions if you don't try. The only way, I repeat, the only way to fail is to quit trying. Only approximately 50,000 Americans dead due to gun violence per year is not acceptable to me. This is our concern dude.

And we could demand more from our politicians than we do. Gun worshippers don't even consider voting for leaders who will try to mitigate the unnecessary gun violence problem because of fear. And politicians have exploited this for decades. And I won't consider voting for politicians who will not even talk about firearm regulations to protect innocent American lives. I am only a one issue voter now, unless both candidates will discuss doing something about gun regulations. Then I move on to contrast the candidates on other issues.

Until we demand better from our leaders we're going to see them deteriorate in character as well as competence.That's just an interesting fact. While we citizens ironically suffer from our own choices at the voting booth. Congress has a very low approval rating in America. Can you explain the logic that leads us to reelect the very people whom we disapprove of at a rate of 98%? Fear leads folks into making poor choices.

 

[ThatRobGuy]

Our over-arching goal was to incur the fine and join the lawsuit by other schools who are doing similar and force a judicial decision instead of a legislative one. If it was simply a bribe in the form of a fine to be able to continue to ban guns on school property, I’d have agreed with your stance. However, having hit the wall with legislative actions, we were wanting to go another route.

But isn't that a similar sentiment to what I was describing (just a different way of doing it)?
(IE: an attempt at finding a way for circumnavigating legislative outcomes you don't like)

People vote on who their legislators are, and have the option to replace them at regularly scheduled intervals if they're not adequately representing them, it seems like notion of "we hit a wall with regards to legislative action, so we want to go another route" is just another way of saying "we're outnumbered, but still want our way, and we don't want to wait to do it through the proper channels".

 

[dogs4thewin]

My point is not about the worshippers directly causing the unnecessary gun violence problem, but their indirect culpability for the lax firearm restrictions in America. I am an average gun owner. I understand i am not the problem because I actually want better firearm regulation and mental health checks and yada yada yada. Boy, Self awareness has really diminished in our nation. Many people shan't be inconvenienced by waiting a day or two for the background check to go thru. This is a problem for those of us who want to decrease the number of unnecessary deaths from gun violence. If we weren't so tribal about everything communication would be possible and solutions could be discovered. You will never find solutions if you don't try. The only way, I repeat, the only way to fail is to quit trying. Only approximately 50,000 Americans dead due to gun violence per year is not acceptable to me. This is our concern dude.

And we could demand more from our politicians than we do. Gun worshippers don't even consider voting for leaders who will try to mitigate the unnecessary gun violence problem because of fear. And politicians have exploited this for decades. And I won't consider voting for politicians who will not even talk about firearm regulations to protect innocent American lives. I am only a one issue voter now, unless both candidates will discuss doing something about gun regulations. Then I move on to contrast the candidates on other issues.

Until we demand better from our leaders we're going to see them deteriorate in character as well as competence.That's just an interesting fact. While we citizens ironically suffer from our own choices at the voting booth. Congress has a very low approval rating in America. Can you explain the logic that leads us to reelect the very people whom we disapprove of at a rate of 98%? Fear leads folks into making poor choices.

A lot of people do not trust the government to stop at reasonable regulations. What they need to do is do a better job of enforcing the laws already on the books. There are almost always firearm enhancments for example attached to crimes, yet often those are dropped in plea bargains; which are a NEEDED part of our justice system otherwise the courts would be even more overrun than they are now.

 

[dogs4thewin]

But isn't that a similar sentiment to what I was describing (just a different way of doing it)?
(IE: an attempt at finding a way for circumnavigating legislative outcomes you don't like)

People vote on who their legislators are, and have the option to replace them at regularly scheduled intervals if they're not adequately representing them, it seems like notion of "we hit a wall with regards to legislative action, so we want to go another route" is just another way of saying "we're outnumbered, but still want our way, and we don't want to wait to do it through the proper channels".

that is why I was wondering what makes the poster think the courts would "work."