Global Flood?

[Calypsis4]

C4 is presenting truth...I never find that to be embarassing and certainly not un-Christian.

Thanks again. But I am not interested in what they say. They are, at best only sounding boards so I can bring out the truth of creation and Noah's flood and correct matters that needs be clarified.

Also, I don't always agree with Ken Ham and answersingenesis. Human beings make mistakes and I think they made a mistake on the Paluxy river tracks and several other things.

I wish you the best. You might do well to copy anything you see and use it and even tell others to come aboard to see the material for themselves. It isn't hard to see the Theo/evo's are nervous and they keep nit-picking.

Best wishes to you and God bless you.

The Lord created the world in six days just like Moses told us.​

 

[Mallon]

C4 is presenting truth...I never find that to be embarassing and certainly not un-Christian.

So why do YEC organizations reject the evidence he is presenting? And why does C4 refuse to respond to sound criticism, opting instead to continue spouting off deliberate lies and misrepresentations about science? Is he presenting truth? Or is he just telling you what you want to hear?

 

[Servant of Jesus]

Wrong:



Figure 1: Marine Fossils on Top of the Andes Mountains. More than 500 giant fossilised oysters were found 3000 metres (about 2 miles) above sea level in Peru in 2001 by Arturo Vildozola, palaeontologist with the Andean Society of Paleontology.
(photo from AP/Wide World Photos)

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But the source you quote used the evidence of giant clams as a refutation of the ancient flood theory and an affirmation that some of the rocks that make up the Andes Mountains were once under water, and were raised to their present height through mountain building linked to the the subduction of the Nasca Plate under South America.

There are fossil clams all over the place in high mountain environments- but their presence is due to plate tectonics- it was the land that went up, not the sea that rose.

Now early on in earth's history, before plate tectonics had been active for any length of time, it could very well have been that the mountains didn't yet exist and most of the earth was under water, and therefore a slight rise in sea level would have covered the small land masses that did exist. Trouble is, there wasn't a lot of life around yet on dry land at that time.

 

[Servant of Jesus]

The "giant clam" fossils seem to be a matter of debate among palaeontologists- most think they are concretions or some other sedimentary feature.

I have not been able to find a single scientific paper claiming that these are true fossils.

But again- it really doesn't matter- there are thousands of fossil clams on mountain tops all over the world- but they were brought there by orogeny (mountain building), not a Biblical flood.

As a Christian, I have no problem believing the Biblical account of the Noah flood- but when we are in receipt of all the facts, it will be found to be consistent with geologic and other scientific evidence.

 

[Calypsis4]

This individual said that they were NOT clams.

Credibility lost.

 

[Mallon]

This individual said that they were NOT clams.

Credibility lost.

... said the guy who suggested that all the water from Noah's flood migrated to one side of the world.

 

[Servant of Jesus]

This individual said that they were NOT clams.

Credibility lost.

Point me to a peer-reviewed scientific journal that says they are. I have done an extensive search and cannot find such a reference.

Ah- and your idea of Christian love is to belittle and befuddle.

 

[Marc15]

"17 For forty days the flood kept coming on the earth, and as the waters increased they lifted the ark high above the earth. 18 The waters rose and increased greatly on the earth, and the ark floated on the surface of the water. 19 They rose greatly on the earth, and all the high mountains under the entire heavens were covered. 20 The waters rose and covered the mountains to a depth of more than fifteen cubits.[a] 21 Every living thing that moved on land perished—birds, livestock, wild animals, all the creatures that swarm over the earth, and all mankind. 22 Everything on dry land that had the breath of life in its nostrils died. 23 Every living thing on the face of the earth was wiped out; people and animals and the creatures that move along the ground and the birds were wiped from the earth. Only Noah was left, and those with him in the ark." Genesis 7:17-24
24 The waters flooded the earth for a hundred and fifty days.

It makes it pretty clear that it was a global flood.

 

[Mallon]

"17 For forty days the flood kept coming on the earth, and as the waters increased they lifted the ark high above the earth. 18 The waters rose and increased greatly on the earth, and the ark floated on the surface of the water. 19 They rose greatly on the earth, and all the high mountains under the entire heavens were covered. 20 The waters rose and covered the mountains to a depth of more than fifteen cubits.[a] 21 Every living thing that moved on land perished—birds, livestock, wild animals, all the creatures that swarm over the earth, and all mankind. 22 Everything on dry land that had the breath of life in its nostrils died. 23 Every living thing on the face of the earth was wiped out; people and animals and the creatures that move along the ground and the birds were wiped from the earth. Only Noah was left, and those with him in the ark." Genesis 7:17-24
24 The waters flooded the earth for a hundred and fifty days.

It makes it pretty clear that it was a global flood.

Luke 2:1 also makes it pretty clear that Ceasar Augustus took a census of the whole planet!

"And it came to pass in those days, that there went out a decree from Caesar Augustus that all the world should be taxed."

 

[Calypsis4]

But again- it really doesn't matter- there are thousands of fossil clams on mountain tops all over the world- but they were brought there by orogeny (mountain building), not a Biblical flood.

As a Christian, I have no problem believing the Biblical account of the Noah flood- but when we are in receipt of all the facts, it will be found to be consistent with geologic and other scientific evidence.

Let this poster give us the name of ANY observer who has made empirical investigation of marine life that was brought to a 2 mile high elevation or higher by slow and gradual processes in geology.

The evidence favors scripture and not evolution.

"In the six hundredth year of Noah's life, in the second month, the seventeenth day of the month, the same day were all the fountains of the great deep broken up..."

"And all flesh died that moved upon the earth, both of fowl, and of cattle, and of beast, and of every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth, and every man"...Gen. 7:21

 

[Mallon]

Let this poster give us the name of ANY observer who has made empirical investigation of marine life that was brought to a 2 mile high elevation or higher by slow and gradual processes in geology.

Moses didn't empirically observe the Flood for himself. Why the double standard?

 

[Calypsis4]

37 But as the days of Noe were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.

38 For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark,

39 And knew not until the flood came, and took them all away; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be. Matt. 24.

Our enemies believe in such incredible lies to escape the truth of scripture.

Jesus compared the destruction and jugdement of the whole world at his second coming with the destruction of the world by the flood of Noah...and that was supposed to be LOCAL? No way.

And the waters prevailed exceedingly upon the earth; and all the high hills, that were under the whole heaven, were covered. Genesis 7:19.

Lukes description of the Roman world was merely the commonly held view of people in that day...for the people thought Rome ruled the 'whole world'. But Jesus statement obviously involves the entire planet and he compared his coming judgment with another event that involved the entire planet.

The evidence of the titanic effects of the flood of Noah are seen in the entire world:

Australian outback.

American west.

More of the American west.

The Gobi desert.

North Africa.

And many others I could post...revealing the erosion of the last few thousand years in angular piles at the foot of each plateau. But what happened to all the sediment that once filled in the space between the plateaus...tens of billions of cubic yards of rock and dirt?

Let me give you a hint:

 

[Calypsis4]

God told Moses about it, and...

Noah saw it.

There is no 'double standard'.

But there is a huge segment of 'professing Christian' world which is deliberately ignoring the multiplied witness of oral and written tradition about what Noah passed down to the generations after him. It's disturbing.

And the above chart reveals only a handful of written traditions that have come down through history about the great flood that destroyed the entire world.

 

[Mallon]

God told Moses about it, and...

Noah saw it.

There is no 'double standard'.

Sure there is. You mocked Servant of Jesus for his failure to provide you with the name of an eyewitness to the transgression the oceans over a period of millions of years. And yet you yourself do not hold Moses to the same standard of evidence, for he did not himself witness the flood of Noah. You're being dishonest (again).

But there is a huge segment of 'professing Christian' world which is deliberately ignoring the multiplied witness of oral and written tradition about what Noah passed down to the generations after him. It's disturbing.

Some here would say that it's disturbing how you twist and distort not only the words of men to further your fundamentalist cause, but you twist and distort God's own creation to align with your preconvictions about the extent of the Flood. We know what kind of landscapes floods leave behind because we've seen them firsthand, and they are nothing like the random photos of deserts you've been posting. The only evidence for a flood I've seen from you is your incessant flood of inane and dishonest posts. No doubt you'll keep it up for 40 days and 40 nights, too!

By the way, why "professing Christian" in quotes? Do you believe Christians are saved by their acceptance that the flood of Noah was a global event?

 

[Alive_Again]

Mallon's signature states:

"There is evidence for evolution, gobs and gobs of it. It is not just speculation or a faith choice or an assumption or a religion. It is a productive framework for lots of biological research, and it has amazing explanatory power. There is no conspiracy to hide the truth about the failure of evolution. There has really been no failure of evolution as a scientific theory. It works, and it works well." -- creation scientist Dr. Todd Wood

Surely you must know that this statement literally hides the truth about the failure of evolution. It has been adopted as "truth" in spite of the FACT that it fails EVERY run through the scientific method. In other words, it CANNOT be reproduced.

As a THEORY it works well, because it's used by the enemy to contradict the Word of God. So for the devil, it works well. It's the best he's got. It demonstrates the blindness of those who adhere to it as "truth" and present it in textbooks as fact. It's mentioned in documentary films depicting nature study, and it does NOT glorify God.

Really, a Christian cannot espouse it because...

"Through faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the Word of God, so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear."
Heb 11:3

 

[Mallon]

Mallon's signature states:



Surely you must know that this statement literally hides the truth about the failure of evolution. It has been adopted as "truth" in spite of the FACT that it fails EVERY run through the scientific method. In other words, it CANNOT be reproduced.

What cannot be reproduced? I assume you mean the entire evolutionary history of life on earth? If so, then I agree. That doesn't make evolution unscientific, however. It isn't the history of evolution that must be repeatable to make it scientific; it's the experiments used to infer evolutionary scenarios that must be repeatable.

 

[Calypsis4]

Surely you must know that this statement literally hides the truth about the failure of evolution. It has been adopted as "truth" in spite of the FACT that it fails EVERY run through the scientific method. In other words, it CANNOT be reproduced.

As a THEORY it works well, because it's used by the enemy to contradict the Word of God. So for the devil, it works well. It's the best he's got. It demonstrates the blindness of those who adhere to it as "truth" and present it in textbooks as fact. It's mentioned in documentary films depicting nature study, and it does NOT glorify God.

Really, a Christian cannot espouse it because...

"Through faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the Word of God, so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear."
Heb 11:3

Thanks for the comment.

I won't answer him directly. It is useless to do so as I learned long ago. But his statements are sometimes fraught with confusion and a lack of perception.

Example: "And yet you yourself do not hold Moses to the same standard of evidence, for he did not himself witness the flood of Noah..."

As if Moses was not led by the Holy Spirit in describing EXACTLY what transpired during the flood of Noah and how it destroyed the entire world...the Holy Spirit Himself being WITNESS who testifies through Moses! And...Noah, whom he deliberately ignores as a human witness to the flood whose witness carried down through hundreds of human families to our time. So he believes that evolutionary garbage of 'millions of years' though it has NO witnesses but he wont' even take seriously an entire series of accounts that bear the same basic testimony: a great flood destroyed the world.

But those words, " And the waters prevailed exceedingly upon the earth; and all the high hills, that were under the whole heaven, were covered"

will haunt those who stubbornly cling to the lies the rest of their lives.

Best wishes to you.

 

[Mallon]

But those words, " And the waters prevailed exceedingly upon the earth; and all the high hills, that were under the whole heaven, were covered"

will haunt those who stubbornly cling to the lies the rest of their lives.

They don't haunt me because we know that, often, when the Bible refers "the whole world", it is referring only to the world known to the Hebrew and/or Roman people. Such is the case in Luke 2:1, as I alluded to earlier, which you didn't respond to. Is it that you won't respond? Or that you can't respond?

 

[Assyrian]

Is it that you won't respond? Or that you can't respond?

I won't answer him directly. It is useless to do so as I learned long ago.

Can't respond by the looks of it. I thought this was a discussion forum?

 

[canukian]

this is the secnod half of an article:

Others: Woolly rhinoceros, giant armadillos, giant beavers, giant jaguars, ground sloths, antelopes, American camels, Asian elephants (Indian elephants came from the sub-continent of India).

All died at roughly the same time, 10,000 BC. They were not slowly killed off. They were quickly killed off. It is also important to note that people should not confuse this with the extinction of the dinosaurs, which happened millions of years ago in contrast.
Pleistocene geologist William R. Farrand of the Lamont-Doherty Geological Observatory, who is opposed to catastrophism in any form, states: "Sudden death is indicated by the robust condition of the animals and their full stomachs . . . the animals were robust and healthy when they died" (Farrand, 1961). It has been estimated that some ten million animals lay buried along the rivers of northern Siberia. Thousands of tusks formed a massive ivory trade for the master carvers of China, all from the remains of the frozen mammoths and mastodons of Siberia. The famous Beresovka mammoth first drew attention to the preserving properties of being quick-frozen when buttercups were found in its mouth. This was no gradual event--it had to be sudden!

for the first half scroll down 4/5ths of the way to geologists atlantis.
imo this flood was 12,000 years ago. man was around, but adam had not yet been created.

also read monoliths left behind. you find this interesting.

http://www.lilith-ezine.com/articles/religion/Atlantis-Forgotten.html