Gay Cake Problems in Ireland

[keith99]

Poor persecuted Christians

http://www.irishtimes.com/news/crime-and-law/ashers-bakery-found-guilty-of-discrimination-1.2218032

Christian-owned Ashers Bakery which refused to make a cake carrying a pro gay marriage slogan has been found guilty of discrimination after a landmark legal action at Belfast County Court.

Judge Isobel Brownlie returned a verdict on Tuesday morning in favour of gay rights advocate Gareth Lee and the North’s Equality Commission in the so-called Bert and Ernie gay cake case.

Ashers, which has six shops employing up to 80 people, was prosecuted for refusing to bake a cake with a slogan stating “Support Gay Marriage”. It was also to feature the Sesame Street puppets, Bert and Ernie, with their arms around one another.

Or are they?

http://www.irishtimes.com/news/crim...they-could-not-write-pro-gay-slogan-1.2155800

Karen McArthur, a director of Ashers, said she took the initial order and money from Mr Lee in May last year because she did want to have a scene in the shop. “I did not want to embarrass him or have a confrontation in the bakery,” she said.

She realised from the outset, however, that she could not fulfil the order. “I knew in my heart that I could not put that message on the cake,” she told the court.

After consulting with her family she phoned Mr Lee 48 hours later to say she could not carry out the order. Mr Lee was reimbursed.

“The problem was with the message on the cake because, as a Christian, I do not support gay marriage,” said Ms McArthur.

Hmm so she knew at the time she was taking the order (and the money) that she would not make the cake. Seems to me the moral high ground was totally lost.

BTW I did not find this cruising the net. I go to one other site, a cycling board that has a politics and religion section. That is where I saw it.

I also found it interesting that these principled Christians seem to have no problems with violating a copyright! A bit ironic to me as that would have been a pretty good out.

 

[WirSindBettler]

Belfast is UK. I highly doubt this would happen in the Republic of Ireland.

 

[Albion]

Poor persecuted Christians

http://www.irishtimes.com/news/crime-and-law/ashers-bakery-found-guilty-of-discrimination-1.2218032



Or are they?

http://www.irishtimes.com/news/crim...they-could-not-write-pro-gay-slogan-1.2155800



Hmm so she knew at the time she was taking the order (and the money) that she would not make the cake. Seems to me the moral high ground was totally lost.

BTW I did not find this cruising the net. I go to one other site, a cycling board that has a politics and religion section. That is where I saw it.

I also found it interesting that these principled Christians seem to have no problems with violating a copyright! A bit ironic to me as that would have been a pretty good out.

If only they'd been Muslims, they'd have no problem. Well, if it was in the USA, that is.

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[Oafman]

Are Bert and Ernie gay icons?

 

[Cute Tink]

If only they'd been Muslims, they'd have no problem. Well, if it was in the USA, that is.

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Please show evidence that Muslims have had complaints filed against them and gotten away with it.

Are Bert and Ernie gay icons?

There have long been "rumors" that they were a gay couple.

 

[Desk trauma]

Are Bert and Ernie gay icons?

Rule 34.

 

[Cute Tink]

Rule 34.

I honestly didn't know there was such a rule. I'm glad you made me aware.

 

[Desk trauma]

I honestly didn't know there was such a rule. I'm glad you made me aware.

If exists there is inappropriate content of it, no exceptions. Never forget it but also never google it.

 

[Cute Tink]

If exists there is inappropriate content of it, no exceptions. Never forget it but also never google it.

Indeed. I did google Rule 34 to find that definition, but didn't go further than that. I have no interest in Burt/Ernie or other such "fan fiction"

 

[Desk trauma]

Indeed. I did google Rule 34 to find that definition, but didn't go further than that.

Yeah, really don't want to toss that one into the image search.

 

[Cute Tink]

Especially not on a work computer...

 

[Paradoxum]

I think this is in Northern Ireland (the UK), not the Republic of Ireland.

Nit-picking, but I'm British.

 

[warrior of Christ 94]

I Christians do not want to make a cake or do any other sort of buissness with gays, simply raise the cost and add a violation of morals fee, $50,000-$100,00 should be enough to make them go away.

 

[Paulos23]

I Christians do not want to make a cake or do any other sort of buissness with gays, simply raise the cost and add a violation of morals fee, $50,000-$100,00 should be enough to make them go away.

Where would that even be legal?

 

[Desk trauma]

I Christians do not want to make a cake or do any other sort of buissness with gays, simply raise the cost and add a violation of morals fee, $50,000-$100,00 should be enough to make them go away.

I see no way that would run afoul of anti-discrimination law. Go forth and implement it.

(I am not a lawyer, I enjoy seeing people hoisted by their own petards, I do not have your best interests at heart.)

 

[Cute Tink]

I Christians do not want to make a cake or do any other sort of buissness with gays, simply raise the cost and add a violation of morals fee, $50,000-$100,00 should be enough to make them go away.

It will be interesting when you get slapped with a "violation of law" fee because I'm almost certain that imposing a fee on a specific group of people counts as discrimination. If sexual orientation is a protected status in your area, then that would be illegal discrimination.

 

[warrior of Christ 94]

It's not imposing a fee on a certain group of people, it is a fee for going against ones morals. And so what if they get sued? Backing down to those bully's is not going to do anything but make the situation worse.

 

[Desk trauma]

It's not imposing a fee on a certain group of people,

Other then the gay who would you impose that fee on and how would you get around the protected class issue?

 

[Cute Tink]

It's not imposing a fee on a certain group of people, it is a fee for going against ones morals.

You specifically noted gays in your post. How else did you expect anyone to take what you said?

And so what if they get sued? Backing down to those bully's is not going to do anything but make the situation worse.

You mean don't allow people to get away with breaking the law because backing down to those bullies would just make the situation worse? I agree. We shouldn't allow a specific segment of the population to violate the law.

So what if they get sued? They are going to and they will lose, because they are breaking the law.

 

[keith99]

It's not imposing a fee on a certain group of people, it is a fee for going against ones morals. And so what if they get sued? Backing down to those bully's is not going to do anything but make the situation worse.

And just who is the bully? That would seem to be the Christians who freely entered into a contract and reneged on it.

Oh poor Christians being expected to honor their contracts.