Gates side of the story???

[AirPo]

I'd really like to hear his side of the story. And accusations of racism don't count as his side.

Gates said he'd be prepared to forgive the arresting officer "if he told the truth" about what the director of Harvard's W.E.B. Du Bois Institute for African and African American Research said were "fabrications" in the police report.

 

[Billnew]

I thought you had found it.

I would like to hear his side too.

 

[Billnew]

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/07/21/us/21gates.html?_r=1&ref=todayspaper

said Charles J. Ogletree, a law professor at Harvard who is representing him.

Mr Gates story, as told by his lawyer.

Both sides admit there was a forced entry. So the call to police was legitimate. Thus Mr Gates arguement of being racially profiled is closed.
He and another person forced a door that was jammed. No crime committed, but
a reasonable person might believe a crime is being commited.
The police acting on the tip, respond and find the described people in the house.
Thus he wants to identify the people, and see if they belong at the residence. (to see if a crime was in progress)
Mr Gates followed the policeman to his car, yelling to the crowd about abuse of a minority. After being warned, Mr Gates did not quiet down, and was placed under arrest, not for burgulary but for disorderly conduct.
Even Gates side of the story shows:
1.No racial bias. 2 people were seen breaking into a house. It happened to be his.
2.that the police asked for id, and Mr Gates was reluctant to produce. Person at a potential crime scene, refusing to provide id? seems suspicious.
3.The police were leaving and Mr Gates followed after, refusing to let the incident drop.

Mr Gates is lucky not to be in jail, Obama should appologize to the nations law enforcement officers, for his prejudice.

There is racism here, its the minority trying to intimidate the police, because he is a person of importance. Being famous doesn't mean every person recognizes you. And you have no special treatment. Until you prove who you are, you are a potential criminal. Even after proving who you are, you still might be a criminal.
White color criminals are less comon, but they do occur.

 

[AirPo]

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/07/21/us/21gates.html?_r=1&ref=todayspaper


Mr Gates story, as told by his lawyer.

Both sides admit there was a forced entry. So the call to police was legitimate. Thus Mr Gates arguement of being racially profiled is closed.
He and another person forced a door that was jammed. No crime committed, but
a reasonable person might believe a crime is being commited.
The police acting on the tip, respond and find the described people in the house.
Thus he wants to identify the people, and see if they belong at the residence. (to see if a crime was in progress)
Mr Gates followed the policeman to his car, yelling to the crowd about abuse of a minority. After being warned, Mr Gates did not quiet down, and was placed under arrest, not for burgulary but for disorderly conduct.
Even Gates side of the story shows:
1.No racial bias. 2 people were seen breaking into a house. It happened to be his.
2.that the police asked for id, and Mr Gates was reluctant to produce. Person at a potential crime scene, refusing to provide id? seems suspicious.
3.The police were leaving and Mr Gates followed after, refusing to let the incident drop.

Mr Gates is lucky not to be in jail, Obama should appologize to the nations law enforcement officers, for his prejudice.

There is racism here, its the minority trying to intimidate the police, because he is a person of importance. Being famous doesn't mean every person recognizes you. And you have no special treatment. Until you prove who you are, you are a potential criminal. Even after proving who you are, you still might be a criminal.
White color criminals are less comon, but they do occur.

I bolded the part that I think is most important.

I'd also like to know what parts of the police report were fabrications?

 

[Billnew]

I bolded the part that I think is most important.

I'd also like to know what parts of the police report were fabrications?

I kind of wonder if Gates isn't saying, because he wants the lawyer to review the report for possible angles?

It would seem easy to point out the "fabrications" if they existed.

This is why I wish all police cars had the dashboard cams. What went on inside the house wouldn't be known, but we would see what happened near the car.

I hope they got every witnesses name, so they could get their sides of the story.
Everything I have seen, says this was a good call, an unfortunately a good arrest.

 

[AirPo]

It kind of reminds me of a scene from Monty Python and the Holy Grail

[thud]
[King Arthur music]
[thud thud thud]
[King Arthur music stops]
ARTHUR: Old woman!
DENNIS: Man!
ARTHUR: Man. Sorry. What knight live in that castle over there?
DENNIS: I'm thirty-seven.
ARTHUR: I-- what?
DENNIS: I'm thirty-seven. I'm not old.
ARTHUR: Well, I can't just call you 'Man'.
DENNIS: Well, you could say 'Dennis'.
ARTHUR: Well, I didn't know you were called 'Dennis'.
DENNIS: Well, you didn't bother to find out, did you?
ARTHUR: I did say 'sorry' about the 'old woman', but from the behind you
looked--
DENNIS: What I object to is that you automatically treat me like an inferior!
ARTHUR: Well, I am king!
DENNIS: Oh king, eh, very nice. And how d'you get that, eh? By exploiting
the workers! By 'anging on to outdated imperialist dogma which perpetuates
the economic and social differences in our society. If there's ever going
to be any progress with the--
WOMAN: Dennis, there's some lovely filth down here. Oh! How d'you do?
ARTHUR: How do you do, good lady. I am Arthur, King of the Britons. Who's
castle is that?
WOMAN: King of the who?
ARTHUR: The Britons.
WOMAN: Who are the Britons?
ARTHUR: Well, we all are. We are all Britons, and I am your king.
WOMAN: I didn't know we had a king. I thought we were an autonomous
collective.
DENNIS: You're fooling yourself. We're living in a dictatorship. A self-
perpetuating autocracy in which the working classes--
WOMAN: Oh, there you go, bringing class into it again.
DENNIS: That's what it's all about. If only people would hear of--
ARTHUR: Please, please good people. I am in haste. Who lives in that castle?
WOMAN: No one live there.
ARTHUR: Then who is your lord?
WOMAN: We don't have a lord.
ARTHUR: What?
DENNIS: I told you. We're an anarcho-syndicalist commune. We take it in
turns to act as a sort of executive officer for the week.
ARTHUR: Yes.
DENNIS: But all the decision of that officer have to be ratified at a special
bi-weekly meeting--
ARTHUR: Yes, I see.
DENNIS: By a simple majority in the case of purely internal affairs,--
ARTHUR: Be quiet!
DENNIS: But by a two-thirds majority in the case of more major--
ARTHUR: Be quiet! I order you to be quiet!
WOMAN: Order, eh? Who does he think he is? Heh.
ARTHUR: I am your king!
WOMAN: Well, I didn't vote for you.
ARTHUR: You don't vote for kings.
WOMAN: Well, how did you become king then?
ARTHUR: The Lady of the Lake,...
[angels sing]
...her arm clad in the purest shimmering samite, held aloft Excalibur from
the bosom of the water signifying by Divine Providence that I, Arthur, was
to carry Excalibur.
[singing stops]
That is why I am your king!
DENNIS: Listen, strange women lying in ponds distributing swords is no basis
for a system of government. Supreme executive power derives from a mandate
from the masses, not from some farcical aquatic ceremony.
ARTHUR: Be quiet!
DENNIS: Well, but you can't expect to wield supreme executive power just
'cause some watery tart threw a sword at you!
ARTHUR: Shut up!
DENNIS: I mean, if I went 'round saying I was an emperor just because some
moistened bint had lobbed a scimitar at me, they'd put me away!
ARTHUR: Shut up, will you. Shut up!
DENNIS: Ah, now we see the violence inherent in the system.
ARTHUR: Shut up!
DENNIS: Oh! Come and see the violence inherent in the system! Help, help!
I'm being repressed!
ARTHUR: Bloody peasant!
DENNIS: Oh, what a give-away. Did you hear that? Did you hear that, eh?
That's what I'm on about. Did you see him repressing me? You saw it,
didn't you?