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The offer is sincere in so far as IF you seek the Lord then you shall find Him; IF you confess with your mouth...then you shall be saved.
Pedrito your understanding of Calvinism (and your spelling of it - it's Calvinism not Calvanism) is way off.
Calvinism does not teach that the elect will be saved whether or not they hear the gospel. On the contrary it teaches that God works through means, and that He has ordained not only the ends, but also the means to those ends.
Evangelism is the tool that God designed to visit sinners with the message of their salvation. Through evangelism and the gospel message he quickens hearts and opens ears and grants faith and repentance, effectively (and without fail) bringing people to Jesus for their salvation.
Every single person God predestined in eternity past, he also calls (during their life), and every single person he calls, he justifies.
That means every single predestined person is ultimately saved.
“And those He predestined, He also called; those He called; He also justified; those He justified, He also glorified” (v. 30).
- Romans 8:29–31
More information for your study:
http://www.monergism.com/thethreshold/articles/onsite/resisting_spirit.html
http://www.ligonier.org/learn/devotionals/effectual-calling/
http://www.gty.org/resources/sermons/90-296/the-doctrine-of-gods-effectual-call
http://www.gotquestions.org/effectual-calling-call.html
Actually, you have been thoroughly and soundly defeated. Many times. Your arguments are weak and show a lack of respect for those posting since, after all the work we have put in, you simply ignore what we have posted and continue on objecting without actually dealing with the posts made.
Could that in fact be “thoroughly and soundly” untrue?You have broken the 9th commandment repeatedly in your interactions with Reformed and Calvinistic folks and play the victim card whenever you are called out for avoiding the posts we make.
I issue to JM a request of the same nature as one I made to twin1954 in another thread when he accused me of repeated malfeasance of a particular type, but which he has not yet answered as far as I can tell (and with which I perceive JM would have been only too quick to help if he could have). See the “Calvinism vs Arminian is a worldview debate” thread, Post #140 on Page 7.You have broken the 9th commandment repeatedly in your interactions with Reformed and Calvinistic folks and play the victim card whenever you are called out for avoiding the posts we make.
In the interest of self improvement, I would like to refrain from such behaviour in future, behaviour I might add that I had no idea I was indulging in, if in fact I have been.
I therefore request that twin1954 present six highly definitive and relevant occurrences from among the many that are apparently peppered throughout my posts, together with the related post and page numbers.
By reviewing those occurrences presented by twin1954, I will be able to identify how my misdemeanors show themselves, and I should be able, on that basis, to rub sandpaper on the rough edges that give rise to them.
Wouldn't that be a good thing all around?
I will do so when you can actually show that you are willing and able to deal honestly with what is written. Until then you will only ignore or try to twist what is posted as you have in the past so why should I waste the time? Anyone who wishes to actually read the threads and your posts can easily see for themselves.I issue to JM a request of the same nature as one I made to twin1954 in another thread when he accused me of repeated malfeasance of a particular type, but which he has not yet answered as far as I can tell
That sounds like another cop-out.I will do so when you can actually show that you are willing and able to deal honestly with what is written. Until then you will only ignore or try to twist what is posted as you have in the past so why should I waste the time?
Actually that sort of statement is normally used as a rather effective ploy. The person using it relies on the fact that very few people, if any, will actually take the time to read the posts referred to. But the stated invitation to do so lends credence to other statements made.Anyone who wishes to actually read the threads and your posts can easily see for themselves.
In Post #79 on Page 4, I highlighted a technique that I have seen used many times in Evangelical circles:
“Assign to your opposition a label that somehow diminishes their credibility. Then if possible, use that label to lump them in with people or organisations that have negative connotations associated with them.”
I added:
Clever. Very clever.
It tricks most people.
But only as long as nobody points out to them how they are being dishonestly manipulated.
In response, in Post #82 on Page 5, twin1954 stated:
It seems that you are a master at this tactic. All one need do is read your posts and they will see the truth of it.
He seems to imply that I have been guilty of multitudinous misdemeanours of that kind, and that they have spanned many posts.
In the interest of self improvement, I would like to refrain from such behaviour in future, behaviour I might add that I had no idea I was indulging in, if in fact I have been.
I therefore request that twin1954 present six highly definitive and relevant occurrences from among the many that are apparently peppered throughout my posts, together with the related post and page numbers.
By reviewing those occurrences presented by twin1954, I will be able to identify how my misdemeanors show themselves, and I should be able, on that basis, to rub sandpaper on the rough edges that give rise to them.
Wouldn't that be a good thing all around?