First modern Britons had 'dark to black' skin, Cheddar Man DNA analysis reveals

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First modern Britons had 'dark to black' skin, Cheddar Man DNA analysis reveals
The first modern Britons, who lived about 10,000 years ago, had “dark to black” skin, a groundbreaking DNA analysis of Britain’s oldest complete skeleton has revealed.

The fossil, known as Cheddar Man, was unearthed more than a century ago in Gough’s Cave in Somerset. Intense speculation has built up around Cheddar Man’s origins and appearance because he lived shortly after the first settlers crossed from continental Europe to Britain at the end of the last ice age. People of white British ancestry alive today are descendants of this population.

It was initially assumed that Cheddar Man had pale skin and fair hair, but his DNA paints a different picture, strongly suggesting he had blue eyes, a very dark brown to black complexion and dark curly hair.
I wonder if a story like this will change the minds of the race is biological crowd... nah, old habits die hard.
 

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So they named the land "Britain" and themselves "Brits"? Any evidence of this?

What does it matter? If I find some remains that showed people from France 10000 years ago had purple skin and green tentacles, how does it matter at all that 10000 years ago it wasn't called France?

On the other hand if I say the Cheddar man remains were found in Ynys, requiring you to spend some time on google to work out that's old Welsh for the land now known as Britain, how has the conversation advanced?
 
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So they named the land "Britain" and themselves "Brits"? Any evidence of this?

I think the etymology of the British Isles dates back to the 6th Century BC, based on an ancient Greek sailing manual for a journey from Massalia (now Marsaille, in south-east France (on the Mediterranian coast) to Oestrymnis (in Brittany - the bit of north-western France that sticks out into the Atlantic).
 
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No way! :eek: SummerMadness Is making a thread that exposes how the evil whites are wrong? Shocker. o_O

No Way! LostMarbels completely misunderstands the point of a thread? Shocker.
 
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Not cultural, race is a social construct.

Words are a social construct, maps are a social construct, toilets are a social construct, societies are a social construct lol, roofs are a social construct, agriculture is a social construct, industry is a social construct....

Let's stop using that term as if it holds any real meaning.
 
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No, they will dispute whether Cheddar man was indicative of the population.

They'd be stupid to, given that Cheddar Man is about the only indicator of the population for about five thousand years in either direction.

Actually you're probably right. Always bet on stupid.
 
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No, they will dispute whether Cheddar man was indicative of the population.
Probably because making wide claims based one one person isn't overly good science.

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However, Cheddar Man had “ancestral” versions of all these genes, strongly suggesting he would have had “dark to black” skin tone, but combined with blue eyes.
Doesn't fill one with much confidence.

Given that the first humans would have been hunter gatherers, it doesn't seem likely they were ginger white, or any version of white at all.
 
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So why aren't Brits still black?
Evolution is a thing.
http://www.sciencemag.org/news/2015/04/how-europeans-evolved-white-skin
When it comes to skin color, the team found a patchwork of evolution in different places, and three separate genes that produce light skin, telling a complex story for how European’s skin evolved to be much lighter during the past 8000 years. The modern humans who came out of Africa to originally settle Europe about 40,000 years are presumed to have had dark skin, which is advantageous in sunny latitudes. And the new data confirm that about 8500 years ago, early hunter-gatherers in Spain, Luxembourg, and Hungary also had darker skin: They lacked versions of two genes—SLC24A5 and SLC45A2—that lead to depigmentation and, therefore, pale skin in Europeans today.

But in the far north—where low light levels would favor pale skin—the team found a different picture in hunter-gatherers: Seven people from the 7700-year-old Motala archaeological site in southern Sweden had both light skin gene variants, SLC24A5 and SLC45A2. They also had a third gene, HERC2/OCA2, which causes blue eyes and may also contribute to light skin and blond hair. Thus ancient hunter-gatherers of the far north were already pale and blue-eyed, but those of central and southern Europe had darker skin.

Then, the first farmers from the Near East arrived in Europe; they carried both genes for light skin. As they interbred with the indigenous hunter-gatherers, one of their light-skin genes swept through Europe, so that central and southern Europeans also began to have lighter skin. The other gene variant, SLC45A2, was at low levels until about 5800 years ago when it swept up to high frequency.

The team also tracked complex traits, such as height, which are the result of the interaction of many genes. They found that selection strongly favored several gene variants for tallness in northern and central Europeans, starting 8000 years ago, with a boost coming from the Yamnaya migration, starting 4800 years ago. The Yamnaya have the greatest genetic potential for being tall of any of the populations, which is consistent with measurements of their ancient skeletons. In contrast, selection favored shorter people in Italy and Spain starting 8000 years ago, according to the paper now posted on the bioRxiv preprint server. Spaniards, in particular, shrank in stature 6000 years ago, perhaps as a result of adapting to colder temperatures and a poor diet.

Surprisingly, the team found no immune genes under intense selection, which is counter to hypotheses that diseases would have increased after the development of agriculture.

The paper doesn’t specify why these genes might have been under such strong selection. But the likely explanation for the pigmentation genes is to maximize vitamin D synthesis, said paleoanthropologist Nina Jablonski of Pennsylvania State University (Penn State), University Park, as she looked at the poster’s results at the meeting. People living in northern latitudes often don’t get enough UV to synthesize vitamin D in their skin so natural selection has favored two genetic solutions to that problem—evolving pale skin that absorbs UV more efficiently or favoring lactose tolerance to be able to digest the sugars and vitamin D naturally found in milk. “What we thought was a fairly simple picture of the emergence of depigmented skin in Europe is an exciting patchwork of selection as populations disperse into northern latitudes,” Jablonski says. “This data is fun because it shows how much recent evolution has taken place.”

Anthropological geneticist George Perry, also of Penn State, notes that the work reveals how an individual’s genetic potential is shaped by their diet and adaptation to their habitat. “We’re getting a much more detailed picture now of how selection works.”
 
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The way this is being politicized and used to push a specific social and political narrative is pretty blatant -- even if one accepts that the people involved aren't just fudging things about the findings for the sake of that narrative.
 
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They'd be stupid to, given that Cheddar Man is about the only indicator of the population for about five thousand years in either direction.

Actually you're probably right. Always bet on stupid.
I'd be wary who you go calling stupid.

Cheddar Man is dated to 10k years ago. Five thousand years in either direction is 15k to 5k. Derp

We know what europeans looked like as little as 7700 years ago:
http://www.sciencemag.org/news/2015/04/how-europeans-evolved-white-skin

Seven people from the 7700-year-old Motala archaeological site in southern Sweden had both light skin gene variants, SLC24A5 and SLC45A2. They also had a third gene, HERC2/OCA2, which causes blue eyes and may also contribute to light skin and blond hair. Thus ancient hunter-gatherers of the far north were already pale and blue-eyed, but those of central and southern Europe had darker skin.

So, 7k years ago we knew there were white people in northern europe.

Im curious where you get the idea that Cheddar man is the only indicator of the population from 15k to 5k years ago.
 
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