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Your friend had something else wrong with him that caused convulsions. It wasn't the marijuana. It's possible that the marijuana aggravated a condition... but it didn't cause it by itself.
I read a study earlier this year that marijuana can cause the onset of schizophrenia at an earlier age... I think most shizo's start showing the symptoms in their 20's but in marijuana users it's in the teens? :scratch:
Also, it is the fact that marijuana is illegal that brings the cartels money. If it were legal, there would be no drug cartels. Farmers would grow it here in the US. People could actually grow it in their own back yards.
Yep, by restricting the supply and making it difficult for drugs to be shipped into the country, the government actually helps the cartels justifiy higher prices for their products.
 
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Well, J... I have to disagree with you on that. In the first place, I've known people who were high every single day of their lives for as long as I knew them and they never experienced any negative side effects except for a little bit of laziness.

One of those people I knew successfully graduated law school with me.

Your friend had something else wrong with him that caused convulsions. It wasn't the marijuana. It's possible that the marijuana aggravated a condition... but it didn't cause it by itself.

Secondly, unless you're a medical doctor, you have no way of knowing, much less telling anyone that your friends condition was brought on by marijuana. (That is meant in the kindest possible way... but it's true).:)

Seriously... look it up. It is physically impossible to overdose on THC. That's just the facts, personal anecdotes notwithstanding.

Also, it is the fact that marijuana is illegal that brings the cartels money. If it were legal, there would be no drug cartels. Farmers would grow it here in the US. People could actually grow it in their own back yards.

Tamara,

I did look it up and yes you can. What you are speaking of is the natural form of it. However, the majority of pot that is sold in dime bags and so forth is a synthentic version of it, which is called dronabinol and yes you can OD on it.

Also pot is spiked constantly by other things such as pcp, rat poison and so on.

No, I do not completely know all the medical issues behind it as some doctors who do not specialize it. I do know how it is sold and how it is rolled to be sold. I also know too many people who have lasting side effects from the use of it. You learn more than you want when you are in the dealing side of this drug. I also learned about it when my grandmother developed cancer and she was told to smoke some if the pain become stronger than the medication she was on could control it.

It can be said the same about alcohol not every person will have the brain damage alcohol can cause but there is still a good population that does have it.

J
 
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Vouchers are just a bandaid and don't fix the actual problem. There are kids going to school in buildings that should be condemned. Not every kid in the US can get a voucher and it's unfair to the kids who are left behind. Oh, that reminds me, I would get rid of NCLB and instead talk to teachers and other education experts to see what they recommend to fix our education problems.
Every legal child in the US should be able to get a voucher. The money would go to finance the education of these children at a school of the parents' choice. Most parents would not send their children to school in a building that ought to be condemned if they knew about it. They see that in the newspaper, and they'll pull their kids from that school and get them to a safe one. And schools with good reputations will reap their own rewards and attract the funding for better facilities.

My plan involves getting rid of NCLB. With choice, there will be no need for it. :)

There wouldn't be so many undocumented workers (I hate the term illegals because they are not illegal, they are human beings) if our immigration laws weren't so overly complicated and made it so difficult to become a legal resident.
We have good laws in place, and we are a very generous nation when it comes to immigration. You need to know whether or not the people coming into your country have communicable diseases, criminal records, and so forth. Also, you need to have rule of law.

The reason these people stay here is that businesses are more than happy to pay them $3 an hour under the table. They have an incentive to do this because of the nature of the work and because it's a heckuva lot cheaper than hiring an American to do the same job. Minimum wage laws are part of the problem here. If we were to abolish the federal minimum wage, we would end this incentive from an economic standpoint, as far as the federal government is concerned. Yes, there are raids also, but we shouldn't rely solely on raids. Do that too much and it gets inhuman. Instead, take away the economic incentive, and you take away a big reason why a business would hire an illegal rather than an American. States would still have state minimum wage laws in place, but hopefully the message sent by a federal abolishment will help spread the message for more flexibility with them. Then, the illegals would self-repatriate.
 
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Tamara,

I did look it up and yes you can. What you are speaking of is the natural form of it. However, the majority of pot that is sold in dime bags and so forth is a synthentic version of it, which is called dronabinol and yes you can OD on it.

Also pot is spiked constantly by other things such as pcp, rat poison and so on.

No, I do not completely know all the medical issues behind it as some doctors who do not specialize it. I do know how it is sold and how it is rolled to be sold. I also know too many people who have lasting side effects from the use of it. You learn more than you want when you are in the dealing side of this drug. I also learned about it when my grandmother developed cancer and she was told to smoke some if the pain become stronger than the medication she was on could control it.

It can be said the same about alcohol not every person will have the brain damage alcohol can cause but there is still a good population that does have it.

J

Well, we'll have to agree to disagree on this. I can only respond by saying "well I know people who..." and you'll respond with "well I know people who" (which proves neither of us correct). So you'll find a website that supports your view and I'll find one that supports mine and we'll both continue to believe as we each did before.

I will just say, though, that I formerly believed all the stuff you're saying. Then I wrote a research paper on it in college and found that most of my information was wrong.
 
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Well, we'll have to agree to disagree on this. I can only respond by saying "well I know people who..." and you'll respond with "well I know people who" (which proves neither of us correct). So you'll find a website that supports your view and I'll find one that supports mine and we'll both continue to believe as we each did before.

I will just say, though, that I formerly believed all the stuff you're saying. Then I wrote a research paper on it in college and found that most of my information was wrong.

Tamara,

I can understand that.

I too can say that I have researched it. I had to so I wouldn't give my loved one the wrong things in order to make her life more comfortable.

I believe that it is more complicated.

J
 
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Tamara,

I did look it up and yes you can. What you are speaking of is the natural form of it. However, the majority of pot that is sold in dime bags and so forth is a synthentic version of it, which is called dronabinol and yes you can OD on it.

Okay, sorry, I know I said we'd agree to disagree... but having never heard of dronabinol before, I googled it...

That's a medicinal synthetic. I can't find anything online that says it's distributed in "dime bags".

In fact, when I googled "dronabinol street drug" I found one website which stated:

There is no street market for dronabinol, and no evidence of any diversion of dronabinol for sale as a street drug.



Furthermore, dronabinol does not provide effects that are considered desirable in a drug of abuse.
Also found the same info at this site.


Can you substantiate your claim that most pot-heads use dronabinol?

 
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Every legal child in the US should be able to get a voucher. The money would go to finance the education of these children at a school of the parents' choice. Most parents would not send their children to school in a building that ought to be condemned if they knew about it. They see that in the newspaper, and they'll pull their kids from that school and get them to a safe one. And schools with good reputations will reap their own rewards and attract the funding for better facilities.

My plan involves getting rid of NCLB. With choice, there will be no need for it. :)
Alright, I have a few thoughts/questions. I'm actually very torn by this issue since I can see it from a few different sides and there are a lot of valid points to be brought up.

Are vouchers paid for by local tax dollars?

How would this stop the overcrowding of good schools?

Do the children of parents who moved to more expensive locales have more of a right to a superior education than children of less afluent parents?

I mean, generally poor people will go to crappy schools and rich kids to good schools. Is the goal to level the playing field or to simply make it easier for the poor kids?

Another thing I have to ask is how will money solve the problem? Our education budget has gone up substantially since 1980 but very little, if any progress has been shown.

Is this an issue of education, or a social issue? Honestly, I think education starts at home. It doesn't matter how hard a teacher may try to educate a student if there is no support at home.
 
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Abolish the federal reserve (I'd be asassinated before it ever came to be)

Abolish the IRS and taxation on any form of income

End the war on drugs

Allow people to opt out of social security

Abolish the department of energy, labor, education, agriculture, transportation, ect

End the reign of government terror (abolish the ATF)

Restore state's rights

Halt constuction on the NAFTA super highway

Executive order returning the legality of abortion to the states

Term limits for congress

End all foreign subsidies (including Iraq)

Border wall with Mexico secured by national guard/border patrol agents

Let fannie/freddie go bankrupt

End all forms of socialism (corporate and social justice)

Restore middle class prosperity

Return to sound money

End the monopoly of government education (the greatest danger to constitutional liberty)

Stop all funding to maintain US embassies in other sovereign nations
 
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Are vouchers paid for by local tax dollars?
They wouldn't be in a federal plan. As for state/local, there are different proposals but I would think a good proposal would be state taxes rather than property taxes. School funding via property taxes is one of the big problems we have right now.

How would this stop the overcrowding of good schools?
That's a good question. I suppose the good schools would have a limit and then they'd say no more. Also, more freedom in the marketplace will stimulate the market. This means there will be more schools popping up to take the kids.

Do the children of parents who moved to more expensive locales have more of a right to a superior education than children of less afluent parents?
They do not, and this is the core of the voucher issue. As it stands, we pay in property and state taxes to fund our schools. If you live in one neighborhood, your property taxes will go to a certain school system. If that happens to be a poor neighborhood, the school will be poorly funded. And these inner city schools are also more violent, and have more bad teachers than the affluent towns and other communities have. So the poor who live in these bad neighborhoods are held hostage to these failing schools and corrupt districts. With vouchers, each family would get a certain equal amount of money to spend on their children's education. They could send the child wherever they want, so if you're living in the ghetto, you don't have to send your child to the crumbling ghetto school. You'll have assistance to send him wherever you want. The idea is that there will always be good schools who won't need more tuition than the voucher will provide. If the costs go up, you increase the value of the voucher to equalize.

Another thing I have to ask is how will money solve the problem? Our education budget has gone up substantially since 1980 but very little, if any progress has been shown.
It won't, and the results have shown that. This is why there needs to be accountability through competition. This is what Europe has, and their schools are doing great. Freedom from regulation also allows teachers and staff to be all they can be.

Is this an issue of education, or a social issue? Honestly, I think education starts at home. It doesn't matter how hard a teacher may try to educate a student if there is no support at home.
It does, and you're right. This won't do anything for the kids whose parents don't give a flip about their education. But there are parents who do, and not all of these parents make a lot of money. They should have the option of sending their kids to a better school, that shouldn't only be for the rich folks.
 
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Abolish the federal reserve (I'd be asassinated before it ever came to be)

Abolish the IRS and taxation on any form of income

End the war on drugs

Allow people to opt out of social security

Abolish the department of energy, labor, education, agriculture, transportation, ect

End the reign of government terror (abolish the ATF)

Restore state's rights

Halt constuction on the NAFTA super highway

Executive order returning the legality of abortion to the states

Term limits for congress

End all foreign subsidies (including Iraq)

Border wall with Mexico secured by national guard/border patrol agents

Let fannie/freddie go bankrupt

End all forms of socialism (corporate and social justice)

Restore middle class prosperity

Return to sound money

End the monopoly of government education (the greatest danger to constitutional liberty)

Stop all funding to maintain US embassies in other sovereign nations

wow, i dont even know where to begin on this one.

i'll just go for the biggies. end social justice? this is a Christian forum.

Stop all funding to maintain US embassies in other sovereign nations.....i thought that was an interesting one. could you elaborate on what that would achieve?
 
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i'll just go for the biggies. end social justice? this is a Christian forum.
Since when does the state have a monopoly on compassion for the poor? Jesus said to be generous, but He never said that the government had to be the vehicle for our generosity. Besides, it's more of a cop-out than anything. Entitlements are just tax-and-spend, it's all automatically taken out of your paycheck, there's no giving, no donation. I fail to see the generosity of the people at work in this case.
 
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ummm.........there is a slight difference between a side arm and a surface to air missile that can take out a 747.

America's regular school shootings are bad enough, heck, with an RPG though you could take out the whole school bus!!
How did I miss this . . . yeah, that could happen. But these weapons are prohibitively expensive, so I don't think that's very likely.
 
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Abolish the federal reserve (I'd be asassinated before it ever came to be)

Abolish the IRS and taxation on any form of income

End the war on drugs

Allow people to opt out of social security

Abolish the department of energy, labor, education, agriculture, transportation, ect

End the reign of government terror (abolish the ATF)

Restore state's rights

Halt constuction on the NAFTA super highway

Executive order returning the legality of abortion to the states

Term limits for congress

End all foreign subsidies (including Iraq)

Border wall with Mexico secured by national guard/border patrol agents

Let fannie/freddie go bankrupt

End all forms of socialism (corporate and social justice)

Restore middle class prosperity

Return to sound money

End the monopoly of government education (the greatest danger to constitutional liberty)

Stop all funding to maintain US embassies in other sovereign nations

holy smokes. you really hate poor people.
 
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Acropolis,

Where do you see that? I only see one thing that could be construed as that.

J

first off, ending the federal reserve would destabalize the economy, leading to larger and longer recessions. this wouldn't matter much to those who already have a lot of money, since they can weather any storm and then get richer once the economy recovers. but it would destroy poor people.

ending taxation would essentially end the government. this is untenable if only because without taxation there could be no military with which to secure sovereignty at all. but here are some ways which this would be bad for poor people specifically:

-no public education
-no medical care
-no free use of roads
-no disability. sorry you lost your legs in the factory, guess your family will just have to starve.

and there are many more reasons other than that.
 
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first off, ending the federal reserve would destabalize the economy, leading to larger and longer recessions. this wouldn't matter much to those who already have a lot of money, since they can weather any storm and then get richer once the economy recovers. but it would destroy poor people.

ending taxation would essentially end the government. this is untenable if only because without taxation there could be no military with which to secure sovereignty at all. but here are some ways which this would be bad for poor people specifically:

-no public education
-no medical care
-no free use of roads
-no disability. sorry you lost your legs in the factory, guess your family will just have to starve.

and there are many more reasons other than that.


Ending taxation "on any form of income" =/= ending all forms of taxation.

Income tax is actually harder on the poor than on the wealthy. Whereas sales tax (aka "flat tax") is easier on the poor. Especially if the sale of food and energy is excluded from sales tax.
 
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