Explosions in Brussels

[DogmaHunter]

You are wrong.

All those attacks are done by muslims. Its the one constant. If you remove this constant out of the system and deport them back at their origin you solve this problem.

More naivity.

And completely ignoring the fact that most of these people are european citizens, born and raised in our very countries. 2nd and even 3rd generation muslims.

Some of them aren't even descendends of immigrants, but native people who converted to Islam.

Again, you are extremely naive. And also reacting exactly like the terrorists want you to react.

 

[DogmaHunter]

No matter what the West does, its "what the jihadists want".

No.

Jihadi's want to drag the west into an all-out war, coupled with racial and religious profiling, oppression and discrimination.

That's what they want. That's how they recruit and that's how they can destroy our free democracies.

 

[Arcangl86]

De we even know who carried out this attack or are we just assuming IS?

 

[Cearbhall]

De we even know who carried out this attack or are we just assuming IS?

I wasn't sure, but I just checked and ISIS has claimed responsibility.

Of course, it could be some other group and ISIS is just taking the credit.

 

[The Portuguese Baptist]

De we even know who carried out this attack or are we just assuming IS?

So far as I have heard, there is no absolute confirmation of who did it, but it has been said that it ‘bears the hallmarks of the Islamic State’. If I am not wrong, I also read that IS had ‘praised’ the attacks.

 

[seashale76]

De we even know who carried out this attack or are we just assuming IS?

ISIS celebrated. Also, one of the news accounts mentioned survivors hearing shouts in Arabic just before the attack. That's all I know and read about.

 

[Arcangl86]

Thank you. I haven't heard if IS had claimed it or not.

 

[PatrickT]

More naivity.

And completely ignoring the fact that most of these people are european citizens, born and raised in our very countries. 2nd and even 3rd generation muslims.

Some of them aren't even descendends of immigrants, but native people who converted to Islam.

Again, you are extremely naive. And also reacting exactly like the terrorists want you to react.

I´m sorry but thats what will happen and you know it.

 

[The Portuguese Baptist]

I wasn't sure, but I just checked and ISIS has claimed responsibility.

Of course, it could be some other group and ISIS is just taking the credit.

Hmm… Can you please point me to the source where you read that they claimed responsibility?

(Two minutes later…)

All I seem to have found so far is this: http://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...lgium-airport-maalbeek-metro-we-a6945886.html. ISIS supporters claimed it, but ISIS officially has not yet done so.

 

[DogmaHunter]

I´m sorry but thats what will happen and you know it.

I know it is what will happen.

That doesn't mean that it's a good thing.

 

[Cearbhall]

Again, you are extremely naive. And also reacting exactly like the terrorists want you to react.

This is an important point. Their main tactic is trying to make us look like the racist instigators.

Hmm… Can you please point me to the source where you read that they claimed responsibility?

(Two minutes later…)

All I seem to have found so far is this: http://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...lgium-airport-maalbeek-metro-we-a6945886.html. ISIS supporters claimed it, but ISIS officially has not yet done so.

It says a spokesperson through one of their propaganda outlets. That's pretty much all they have.

 

[DogmaHunter]

Hmm… Can you please point me to the source where you read that they claimed responsibility?

(Two minutes later…)

All I seem to have found so far is this: http://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...lgium-airport-maalbeek-metro-we-a6945886.html. ISIS supporters claimed it, but ISIS officially has not yet done so.

Off course it's ISIS fighters that did this...

That was pretty clear from the get-go.

And it's been confirmed to be the case as well:

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/712298703760007169

 

[Sistrin]

Why do you say that?

Standard liberal/progressive response. America is to blame for everything.

 

[Cearbhall]

Hmm… Can you please point me to the source where you read that they claimed responsibility?

I did more searching, and the statement was straight from Amaq.

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-belgium-blast-claim-idUSKCN0WO283

Standard liberal/progressive response. America is to blame for everything.

Patrick T is from Germany, and he's a conservative.

Regardless, you realize a statement like this doesn't make them wrong, right? Simply saying that a group says something is not an argument. The fact of the matter is that we are partly to blame for the creation of ISIS, and for some reason, Europeans seem to know this better than most Americans.

 

[Arcangl86]

Standard liberal/progressive response. America is to blame for everything.

Except that PatrickT is a conservative German nationalist. But why miss an opportunity to turn this tragedy into "Liberals are evil."

 

[seashale76]

Standard liberal/progressive response. America is to blame for everything.

Patrick is part of the German right wing.

 

[PatrickT]

I know it is what will happen.

That doesn't mean that it's a good thing.

I´m just realistic. I believe we will have something gigantic going on. There is already so much hate and i see it on myself. I feel nothing towards muslims anymore. No compassion. I saw their children in TV in those mud camps in Idomeni and felt nothing. No compassion, no mercy. I´m just cold towards them. And its strange but it wasn´t always like that. It developed.

And its evrywhere. My colleagues openly send anti muslim stuff through whats app.

I think the german philosopher Nietzsche talked about whats going on. He said:

"when you stare long enough into the darkness, the darkness stares right back into you".

 

[Cearbhall]

I feel nothing towards muslims anymore. No compassion. I saw their children in TV in those mud camps in Idomeni and felt nothing. No compassion, no mercy.

I don't understand this. I can't even get my brain to put people into "us vs. them" categories in the first place. I'd be more likely to group a Muslim person by gender, age, education status, etc. It's just a religion. I don't even know most people's religion unless it comes up in conversation. I don't get how you could turn off your humanity when you find out that an acquaintance is Muslim. Christian, Hindu, Muslim, no religion, whatever. I know all of the above, but it's background information.

 

[PatrickT]

I don't understand this. I can't even get my brain to put people into "us vs. them" categories in the first place. I'd be more likely to group a Muslim person by gender, age, education status, etc. It's just a religion. I don't even know most people's religion unless it comes up in conversation. Christian, Hindu, Muslim, no religion, whatever. I know all of the above, but it's background information.

What if i tell you that i dont understand it either? It just happened.

 

[All Englands Skies]

I´m just realistic. I believe we will have something gigantic going on. There is already so much hate and i see it on myself. I feel nothing towards muslims anymore. No compassion. I saw their children in TV in those mud camps in Idomeni and felt nothing. No compassion, no mercy. I´m just cold towards them. And its strange but it wasn´t always like that. It developed.

I totally disagree with Islam (and religiously think its anti-christ and reading there version of the end times they could be the forces of the anti-christ in the end time) and find most Muslims to be one-sided hypocrites, who to put it in a nutshell follow an M.O of "its okay for us to persecute and control over non-Muslims, but never okay if they do it to us"

But to de-human them completely, when they're still human beings, just does not seem right, they themselves are the biggest victims of Islam, even though they can't see it.

and how are you any different if you can look at certain people suffering and dying and feel nothing, to those who follow ISIS?