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Evidence for the blood being the congealed light of God' Glory...?

Discussion in 'Word of Faith' started by God_Owned, Mar 21, 2007.

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  1. God_Owned

    God_Owned My wife is the glory this Highlander. 1 Co 11:7

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    I agree with Gwen Shaw and Kenneth Copeland that man's blood is congealed light. I further agree that Jesus now has the Glory of God flowing through His veins. Gwen Shaw and Kenneth Copeland apparently agree on this point.

    What I'm looking for is two things.

    1. More scriptural support that man's blood is congealed light and that Jesus has the Glory of God flowing through his veins.

    2. Any scientific studies, setatements by doctors, etc, that ther is scientific eviden that man's blood is congealed light.



    :wave:
     
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    pdudgeon Legend Supporter

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    nope i don't quite think this is right.

    it's hard to explain spiritual things using our language; our efforts to put into words the spiritual things we are seeing and experiencing are poor at best. it is like we 'know' spiritually, but something is lost (or cannot be fully expressed) in the translation to human speech, even though we do our best to try.

    As a result i think we increasingly use metaphores to describe what something spiritual is 'like' in the natural, but not meaning that they are one in the same thing. And the more we understand the spiritual, the less easier it is to describe it in the natural.
    so i would say that describing the Glory of God as seen in Jesus and attributing that to blood that was 'congealed light', would be a metaphore.

    if i were to describe the same thing, i would say that the glory of God as seen in Jesus was more like pure energy which could not be confined by the outward form of a human being. now that's quite different from "congealed light", and yet it expresses the same thing.;)
     
  3. JTM3

    JTM3 Senior Veteran

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    Aww come on! Don't be a party poopper!! ;)
     
  4. God_Owned

    God_Owned My wife is the glory this Highlander. 1 Co 11:7

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    My doctor's wife told me she had read in one of he husbands medical journals that there has been scientific research which supports the proposition that human blood was one real light which had for some reason been congealed. I can't find the article and my I my family doctor's wife is deceased. Gwen Shaw is the only person who I can find who makes reference to a scientific study. I have heard Copeland talk about this and I almost certain that he also used the term congealed light. I believe that the light of God's glory would be superior to light as we know it because the ability light in our Universe is by physical laws whereas the Glory of God would have no limitations.

    Anyway, somewhere out there, there is some scientific research on the subject and I want to have a look at it if that is possible.:wave:
     
  5. TheGloryisHere

    TheGloryisHere New Member

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    Awesome post! That was worthy of snagging for my group! I've never heard our blood was congealed light before! Vewy intewesting.
     
  6. pdudgeon

    pdudgeon Legend Supporter

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    ok, thanks for the info, and yep i'm the party pooper.:blush:
     
  7. God_Owned

    God_Owned My wife is the glory this Highlander. 1 Co 11:7

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    You are the life of the party Pam! :clap:
     
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  8. KingZzub

    KingZzub Blessed to Be A Blessing

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    I like parties...

    I think there is a lot more to blood than we realise.

    Cheers,
    |ZZ|
     
  9. Father Rick

    Father Rick Peace be with you

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    Speaking strictly from a scientific basis...

    Light is a form of energy-- it is actually the spectrum of energy waves visible by the human eye. It contains no matter at all.


    A liquid, of any kind, consists of matter.

    A liquid can "congeal", which literally means to become solid.
    In essence, something "congeals" when it quits moving.

    However, energy, including light, cannot "congeal". If energy waves are either "slowed down" or "speeded up" they are still energy waves. A light wave that is "speeded up" become ultraviolet, x-rays, etc depending on how fast it is moving. A light wave that "slows down" becomes infrared (or heat). If the wave continues to slow down, it simply loses that "amount of heat" that you have, as you reach absolute zero. In other words, "congealed light" is "absolute zero"--or "coldness/darkness". It is not any form of matter-- including blood.
     
  10. God_Owned

    God_Owned My wife is the glory this Highlander. 1 Co 11:7

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    Light contains pariticles which are matter. Now how would you know wheathr or not God's Glory can congeal or not? Did you run an expeirment? Could I see the results? Maybe you should read this.


    Light and matter united Opens the way to new computers and communication systems

    By William J. Cromie
    [SIZE=-1]Harvard News Office [/SIZE]​


    Lene Hau has already shaken scientists' beliefs about the nature of things. Albert Einstein and just about every other physicist insisted that light travels 186,000 miles a second in free space, and that it can't be speeded-up or slowed down. But in 1998, Hau, for the first time in history, slowed light to 38 miles an hour, about the speed of rush-hour traffic.

    Two years later, she brought light to a complete halt in a cloud of ultracold atoms. Next, she restarted the stalled light without changing any of its characteristics, and sent it on its way. These highly successful experiments brought her a tenured professorship at Harvard University and a $500,000 MacArthur Foundation award to spend as she pleased.

    Now Mallinckrodt Professor of Physics and of Applied Physics, Hau has done it again. She and her team made a light pulse disappear from one cold cloud then retrieved it from another cloud nearby. In the process, light was converted into matter then back into light. For the first time in history, this gives science a way to control light with matter and vice versa.

    It's a thing that most scientists never thought was possible. Some colleagues had asked Hau, "Why try that experiment? It can't be done."

    In the experiment, a light pulse was slowed to bicycle speed by beaming it into a cold cloud of atoms. The light made a "fingerprint" of itself in the atoms before the experimenters turned it off. Then Hau and her assistants guided that fingerprint into a second clump of cold atoms. And get this - the clumps were not touching and no light passed between them.

    "The two atom clouds were separated and had never seen each other before," Hau notes. They were eight-thousandths of an inch apart, a relatively huge distance on the scale of atoms.

    The experimenters then nudged the second cloud of atoms with a laser beam, and the atomic imprint was revived as a light pulse. The revived light had all the characteristics present when it entered the first cloud of atomic matter, the same shape and wavelength. The restored light exited the cloud slowly then quickly sped up to its normal 186,000 miles a second.
    Communicating by light

    Light carries information, so think of information being manipulated in ways that have never before been possible. That information can be stored - put on a shelf, so to speak - retrieved at will, and converted back to light. The retrieved light would contain the same information as the original light, without so much as a period being lost.

    Or the information could be changed. "The light waves can be sculpted," is the way Hau puts it. "Then it can be passed on. We have already observed such re-sculpted light in our lab."

    A weird thing happens to the light as it enters the cold atomic cloud, called a Bose-Einstein condensate. It becomes squeezed into a space 50 million times smaller. Imagine a light beam 3,200 feet (one kilometer) long, loaded with information, that now is only a hair width in length but still encodes as much information.

    From there it becomes easier to imagine new types of computers and communications systems - smaller, faster, more reliable, and tamper-proof.

    Atoms at room temperature move in a random, chaotic way. But when chilled in a vacuum to about 460 degrees below zero Fahrenheit, under certain conditions millions of atoms lock together and behave as a single mass. When a laser beam enters such a condensate, the light leaves an imprint on a portion of the atoms. That imprint moves like a wave through the cloud and exits at a speed of about 700 feet per hour. This wave of matter will keep going and enter another nearby ultracold condensate. That's how light moves darkly from one cloud to another in Hau's laboratory.

    This invisible wave of matter keeps going unless it's stopped in the second cloud with another laser beam, after which it can be revived as light again.

    Atoms in matter waves exist in slightly different energy levels and states than atoms in the clouds they move through. These energy states match the shape and phase of the original light pulse. To make a long story short, information in this form can be made absolutely tamper proof. Personal information would be perfectly safe.

    Such a light-to-matter, matter-to-light system "is a wonderful thing to wrap your brain around," Hau muses.
    Details of the experiments appear as the cover story of the Feb. 8 issue of Nature. Authors of the report include graduate student Naomi Ginsberg, postdoctoral fellow Sean Garner, and Hau.
    In a practical manner

    You won't see a light-matter converter flashing away in a factory, business, or mall anytime soon. Despite all the intriguing possibilities, "there are no immediate practical uses," Hau admits.

    However, she has no doubt that practical systems will come. And when they do, they will look completely different from anything we are familiar with today. They won't need a lot of wires and electronics. "Instead of light shining through optical fibers into boxes full of wires and semiconductor chips, intact data, messages, and images will be read directly from the light," Hau imagines.

    Creating those ultracold atomic clouds in a factory, office, or recreation room will be a problem, but one she believes can be solved. "The atomic clouds we use in our lab are only a tenth of a millimeter (0.004 inch) long," she points out. "Such atom clouds can be kept in small containers, not all of the equipment has to be so cold. Most likely, a practical system designed by engineers will look totally unlike the setup we have in our lab today."

    There are no "maybes" in Hau's voice. She is coolly confident that light-to-matter communication networks, codes, clocks, and guidance systems can be made part of daily life. If you doubt her, remember she is the person who stopped light, converted it to matter, carried it around, and transformed it back to light.
     
  11. God_Owned

    God_Owned My wife is the glory this Highlander. 1 Co 11:7

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    Nothing to say Rick? :confused:
     
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    [​IMG] Public release date: 7-Feb-2007
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    Contact: Steve Bradt
    [email protected]
    617-496-8070
    Harvard University

    In tiny supercooled clouds, physicists exchange light and matter

    Technique may give scientists a new degree of control over fiber-optic communication and quantum information processing

    CAMBRIDGE, Mass. -- Physicists have for the first time stopped and extinguished a light pulse in one part of space and then revived it in a completely separate location. They accomplished this feat by completely converting the light pulse into matter that travels between the two locations and is subsequently changed back to light.

    Matter, unlike light, can easily be manipulated, and the experiments provide a powerful means to control optical information. The findings, published this week by Harvard University researchers in the journal Nature, could present an entirely new way for scientists and engineers to manipulate the light pulses used in fiber-optic communications, the technology at the heart of our highly networked society.

    "We demonstrate that we can stop a light pulse in a supercooled sodium cloud, store the data contained within it, and totally extinguish it, only to reincarnate the pulse in another cloud two-tenths of a millimeter away," says Lene Vestergaard Hau, Mallinckrodt Professor of Physics and of Applied Physics in Harvard's Faculty of Arts and Sciences and School of Engineering and Applied Sciences.

    Hau and her co-authors, Naomi S. Ginsberg and Sean R. Garner, found that the light pulse can be revived, and its information transferred between the two clouds of sodium atoms, by converting the original optical pulse into a traveling matter wave which is an exact matter copy of the original pulse, traveling at a leisurely 200 meters per hour. The matter pulse is readily converted back into light when it enters the second of the supercooled clouds -- known as Bose-Einstein condensates -- and is illuminated with a control laser.
    "The Bose-Einstein condensates are very important to this work because within these clouds atoms become phase-locked, losing their individuality and independence," Hau says. "The lock-step nature of atoms in a Bose-Einstein condensate makes it possible for the information in the initial light pulse to be replicated exactly within the second cloud of sodium atoms, where the atoms collaborate to revive the light pulse."

    Within a Bose-Einstein condensate -- a cloud of sodium atoms cooled to just billionths of a degree above absolute zero -- a light pulse is spatially compressed by a factor of 50 million. The light drives a controllable number of the condensate's roughly 1.8 million sodium atoms to enter into quantum superposition states with a lower-energy component that stays put and a higher-energy component that travels between the two Bose-Einstein condensates. The amplitude and phase of the light pulse stopped and extinguished in the first cloud are imprinted in this traveling component and transferred to the second cloud, where the recaptured information can recreate the original light pulse.

    The period of time when the light pulse becomes matter, and the matter pulse is isolated in space between the condensate clouds, could offer scientists and engineers a tantalizing new window for controlling and manipulating optical information; researchers cannot now readily control optical information during its journey, except to amplify the signal to avoid fading. The new work by Hau and her colleagues marks the first successful manipulation of coherent optical information.
    "This work could provide a missing link in the control of optical information," Hau says. "While the matter is traveling between the two Bose-Einstein condensates, we can trap it, potentially for minutes, and reshape it -- change it -- in whatever way we want. This novel form of quantum control could also have applications in the developing fields of quantum information processing and quantum cryptography."


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    Ginsberg, Garner, and Hau's work was supported by the Air Force Office of Sponsored Research, the National Science Foundation, and the National Aeronautics and Space Administration.


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  13. PastorMike

    PastorMike Newry Christian Centre

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    God_Owned, seems like you have a lot of information and a lot of research there, be kinda hard to dispute it with you... lol...
     
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    Father Rick Peace be with you

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    Actually, I haven't been on that much the past few days...

    With regards to the article you just posted. You may not be aware, but it actually confirms much of what I posted previously.

    This conversion from light to matter (a matter wave, actually) can only occur through supercooling within an atomic cloud. This supercooling is what I was speaking of when stating that "congealed light" would be coldness/darkness.

    And as the article stated, the matter wave is an "exact matter copy of the original pulse". This matter wave was able to be moved two tenths of a milimeter (about the thickness of a piece of paper) into another supercooled atomic cloud before reverting back to its original state. In other words, it continues to be light-- it doesn't change into something other than light.



    BTW-- theoretical and quantum physics used to be hobbies of mine, I just don't have time for it any more.
     
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    God_Owned My wife is the glory this Highlander. 1 Co 11:7

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    As usual, you have completely missed it. Sheeze!:doh: ^_^
    Talk about slective reading, "This conversion from light to matter...":doh: ^_^

    Hello?:doh: ^_^

    You are on your own.:doh:

    I can hear the thud from here! :idea: :idea: ^_^ ^_^ ^_^ ^_^ ^_^
     
  16. God_Owned

    God_Owned My wife is the glory this Highlander. 1 Co 11:7

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    You would think! ...although as you can see there are those who will never get it, no matter what you do because of their personal agendas. :wave: ^_^
     
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    Good luck with that bro God_Owned.

    Hope you find what your looking for.
     
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    Atlantians Student of Theology and History.

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    Oohhh... now if we could do that except by turning matter into the light and back into matter we woul dhave ourselves one of these:


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    :eek:

    And with some precision, one of these:

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    I am a tech buff... sorry.:p
     
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    God_Owned My wife is the glory this Highlander. 1 Co 11:7

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    Luck?:confused:

    I have found part of what I'm looking for.:thumbsup:
     
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    Bro.
    Just lump me in with the people you don't talk to if you want.
    Was trying unsuccessfully to be nice to you.

    God bless,
     
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