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<blockquote data-quote="com7fy8" data-source="post: 68864202" data-attributes="member: 331347"><p>Well, Baris Vesevgi, God has His special plan and desires for you with Him. I don't know what the details are, for you; so we pray. </p><p></p><p>I think it could be good for you to find someone who is obviously helping you to grow in Jesus and how God has us relating with people in love. If you "ask" for such a person, you might not be sure who will be assigned to you; so it might be good to just pray and trust God to have you discover whoever you belong with. But if you find a leader who is for real, that person might be reliable to help you find the right person. But if the leaders seem more like performers, they themselves might not be mature enough to be able to tell the difference between a true example person and someone just "trained". So, trust God, I would say, and I think it could be good to find not only one good mentor person, but a group with a number of mature people who help you to get real with God, get correction, and grow in how to love.</p><p></p><p>But in all this you need, I would say, to grow in being able to love and help the people who are performers and "seeker friendly" but not mature Christians. I have an issue with a church being only able to "bring people to Christ", but they are not spiritually healthy enough to bring up children of God to be mature in Jesus.</p><p></p><p>I understand that our Heavenly Father wants us to become gentle and humble and quiet (1 Peter 3:4, Ephesians 4:2), and all-loving (Matthew 5:46); so I do not think God wants people to get the impression that God is going to entertain them and cater to their cultural preferences > how, ever, will they learn, by the way, how to love any and all people, if they can handle only being in a certain religious cultural setting????? Paul learned to reach to and relate with people in various cultures, I get from 1 Corinthians 9:19-23. </p><p></p><p>New converts to Jesus need to know people who show them example of where they need to grow and go. So, if a group is only entertaining in order to bring people to Jesus, I am not going to assume they are ministering true conversions, though God is not limited about who and what He can use. But people need to know they will be expected to appreciate being humble and gentle and quiet and all-loving; so giving them a dynamic and dramatic show "might" not demonstrate God's will to them, for how to be a Christian; it "might" give them the impression that they should always be expecting a lot of excitement and feel-goodism, and it could feed their fleshly desire only to be excited into just a different lifestyle.</p><p></p><p>1 Timothy 2:1-4 to me shows that we need to love any and all people, in prayer with hope for any and all people, and this is so <strong><span style="font-family: 'Georgia'"><span style="color: #ff00ff">"we may lead a quiet and peaceable life in all godliness and reverence."</span></span></strong> So, I find the Bible says this is a basic of Christianity, but on Sunday my church does not move right into prayer and quietness and peace of seeking God for His good for any and all people; there is serving and social sharing, then worship with a sermon which I think is well prepared and can be good for any Christian to grow on. </p><p></p><p>And I do not find prayer to be the first and main thing going on in various other churches, also. But there is indeed a planned "worship service" and can be a well-prepared sermon which can feed people something good. But possibly some number of us humans just are too busy and tied up with busy things so we are not about quieting down and being still with God and submitting to how He has us praying. And this could be "why" we do not do this in church.</p><p></p><p>And so, semi-workaholic and less mature ministers "might" not preach and minister this. And are we ready to not get bored if we meet and share with mature humble gentle quiet senior Christians? Actually, in the quietness of God's love we have Heaven's own goodness shared with us <img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite1" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":)" /> And in the goodness of His quiet rest (Matthew 11:28-30, Psalm 37:7), we also have His almighty safety against how Satanic emotions and feelings would mess us with bitterness, self-righteous criticizing, unforgiveness, frustration, dominating and dictatorial drives for pleasures, arguing, and complaining and other nasty naughty negative nonsense. In God's love we have peace which is safe.</p><p></p><p>So, this should give us some "homework" to do <img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite1" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":)" /></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="com7fy8, post: 68864202, member: 331347"] Well, Baris Vesevgi, God has His special plan and desires for you with Him. I don't know what the details are, for you; so we pray. I think it could be good for you to find someone who is obviously helping you to grow in Jesus and how God has us relating with people in love. If you "ask" for such a person, you might not be sure who will be assigned to you; so it might be good to just pray and trust God to have you discover whoever you belong with. But if you find a leader who is for real, that person might be reliable to help you find the right person. But if the leaders seem more like performers, they themselves might not be mature enough to be able to tell the difference between a true example person and someone just "trained". So, trust God, I would say, and I think it could be good to find not only one good mentor person, but a group with a number of mature people who help you to get real with God, get correction, and grow in how to love. But in all this you need, I would say, to grow in being able to love and help the people who are performers and "seeker friendly" but not mature Christians. I have an issue with a church being only able to "bring people to Christ", but they are not spiritually healthy enough to bring up children of God to be mature in Jesus. I understand that our Heavenly Father wants us to become gentle and humble and quiet (1 Peter 3:4, Ephesians 4:2), and all-loving (Matthew 5:46); so I do not think God wants people to get the impression that God is going to entertain them and cater to their cultural preferences > how, ever, will they learn, by the way, how to love any and all people, if they can handle only being in a certain religious cultural setting????? Paul learned to reach to and relate with people in various cultures, I get from 1 Corinthians 9:19-23. New converts to Jesus need to know people who show them example of where they need to grow and go. So, if a group is only entertaining in order to bring people to Jesus, I am not going to assume they are ministering true conversions, though God is not limited about who and what He can use. But people need to know they will be expected to appreciate being humble and gentle and quiet and all-loving; so giving them a dynamic and dramatic show "might" not demonstrate God's will to them, for how to be a Christian; it "might" give them the impression that they should always be expecting a lot of excitement and feel-goodism, and it could feed their fleshly desire only to be excited into just a different lifestyle. 1 Timothy 2:1-4 to me shows that we need to love any and all people, in prayer with hope for any and all people, and this is so [B][FONT=Georgia][COLOR=#ff00ff]"we may lead a quiet and peaceable life in all godliness and reverence."[/COLOR][/FONT][/B] So, I find the Bible says this is a basic of Christianity, but on Sunday my church does not move right into prayer and quietness and peace of seeking God for His good for any and all people; there is serving and social sharing, then worship with a sermon which I think is well prepared and can be good for any Christian to grow on. And I do not find prayer to be the first and main thing going on in various other churches, also. But there is indeed a planned "worship service" and can be a well-prepared sermon which can feed people something good. But possibly some number of us humans just are too busy and tied up with busy things so we are not about quieting down and being still with God and submitting to how He has us praying. And this could be "why" we do not do this in church. And so, semi-workaholic and less mature ministers "might" not preach and minister this. And are we ready to not get bored if we meet and share with mature humble gentle quiet senior Christians? Actually, in the quietness of God's love we have Heaven's own goodness shared with us :) And in the goodness of His quiet rest (Matthew 11:28-30, Psalm 37:7), we also have His almighty safety against how Satanic emotions and feelings would mess us with bitterness, self-righteous criticizing, unforgiveness, frustration, dominating and dictatorial drives for pleasures, arguing, and complaining and other nasty naughty negative nonsense. In God's love we have peace which is safe. So, this should give us some "homework" to do :) [/QUOTE]
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