Do not try earn your own salvation through the law

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There are people who tried to use the law to earn their salvation. But God showed me this. Do you know the Litmus Test is used to identify acid (acidity) and base (alkalinity)? If the Litmus paper turn red, it is an acid. If it turn blue it is a base. The law is the same as the Litmus test. Everyone is born a sinner but they do not know it. So God put the 10 commandments as a Litmus test to show us that we are all sinners. If you break any of the 10 commandments even once in your life, then you know you are a sinner. The law is not meant to save but just as a means to identify sinners. By obeying the 10 commandments and sin lesser does NOT turn you from a sinner into a righteous saint. Just like the Litmus test, an acid is identify when it turn red. Regardless how red (very red or pinky light red) it turn the litmus paper, it is still an acid.

Ephesians 2:8-9 For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith—and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God—not by works, so that no one can boast.
 

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One does not "earn salvation" by choosing at some point to stop taking God's name in vain and start obeying the command "Do not take God's name in vain" Ex 20:7.

Even so - the NT continues to insist that "Sin IS transgression of the LAW" 1 John 3:4

Which means that even for a saved Christian it is a sin to take God's name in vain.

1 John 5:3 "this IS the LOVE of God that we keep His commandments"
Rev 14:12 "The saints KEEP the Commandments of God AND their faith in Jesus"
1 Cor 7:19 "what matters is keeping the commandments of God"
John 14:15 "IF you Love Me KEEP My Commandments"
Ex 20:6 "Love Me and KEEP My Commandments"

Under the New Covenant (Jer 31:31-34) the moral Law of God known to Jeremiah and his readers is written on heart and mind.
 
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One does not "earn salvation" by choosing at some point to stop taking God's name in vain and start obeying the command "Do not take God's name in vain" Ex 20:7.

Even so - the NT continues to insist that "Sin IS transgression of the LAW" 1 John 3:4

Which means that even for a saved Christian it is a sin to take God's name in vain.

1 John 5:3 "this IS the LOVE of God that we keep His commandments"
Rev 14:12 "The saints KEEP the Commandments of God AND their faith in Jesus"
1 Cor 7:19 "what matters is keeping the commandments of God"
John 14:15 "IF you Love Me KEEP My Commandments"
Ex 20:6 "Love Me and KEEP My Commandments"

Under the New Covenant (Jer 31:31-34) the moral Law of God known to Jeremiah and his readers is written on heart and mind.
Salvation is not something that you can conjure out from our own human effort. Rather after being born again with a new nature, we are just unconsciously showing the fruits of the Holy Spirit. A non-chrisitian can pretend to be a christian by doing all these infront of others but in the end, he is still not saved.
 
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Salvation is not something that you can conjure out from our own human effort.
Agreed We cannot save ourselves. Our works are not saving nor is our righteousness. All righteousness comes by God and all of His commandments are righteous Psalms 119:172 as this is God’s work alone Exodus 32:16. We are sanctified by the Truth of God’s Word John 17:17 and all of His commandments are Truth Psalms 119:151
Rather after being born again with a new nature,
True, when one wants to change their life of sin (breaking God’s law) and become obedient to Jesus - He gives us His Holy Spirit so we can obey John 14:15-18. Jesus wants our hearts changed and through His Spirit He can give us a new heart which leads us to obedience because we love Him. 1 John 5:3. The commandments are a good test to see if we are walking in the Spirit- as you pointed out they are like a mirror so we know what not to do. Romans 7:7
we are just unconsciously showing the fruits of the Holy Spirit
Obedience to God is a fruit of ones faith and why it upholds the law Romans 3:31 instead of living a life of sin (breaking God’s law 1 John 3:4, Romans 7:7)
. A non-chrisitian can pretend to be a christian by doing all these infront of others but in the end, he is still not saved.
True someone can pretend to obey God outwardly but we cannot fool Jesus because He knows our every thought. While there is no scripture that says those who practice lawlessness will be saved, only Jesus will be our righteous judge so we have no way of knowing who is saved or not, other than what is stated in scripture. Matthew 7:21-23 Only Jesus knows the heart and we should not judge others for being obedient to God even if you don’t think its sincere, only God knows that. We will not be judged based on what others do or not do, so its better to focus on our own self and become the best person we can be for and through Jesus.
 
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There are people who tried to use the law to earn their salvation. But God showed me this. Do you know the Litmus Test is used to identify acid (acidity) and base (alkalinity)? If the Litmus paper turn red, it is an acid. If it turn blue it is a base. The law is the same as the Litmus test. Everyone is born a sinner but they do not know it. So God put the 10 commandments as a Litmus test to show us that we are all sinners. If you break any of the 10 commandments even once in your life, then you know you are a sinner. The law is not meant to save but just as a means to identify sinners. By obeying the 10 commandments and sin lesser does NOT turn you from a sinner into a righteous saint. Just like the Litmus test, an acid is identify when it turn red. Regardless how red (very red or pinky light red) it turn the litmus paper, it is still an acid.

Ephesians 2:8-9 For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith—and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God—not by works, so that no one can boast.

There can be any number of reasons for doing good works other than for the goal of earning our salvation, the Bible speaks in favor of correct reasons and against incorrect reasons, so we should be careful not to mistake what is said against the incorrect reasons as being against the correct reasons. In other words, there is a world of difference between these two statments:

1.) Our salvation requires us to choose to do good works.

2.) Our salvation requires us to choose to do good works for the purpose of earning our salvation as a wage.

While there are many verses that deny #2, such as Romans 4:5, there are many verses that support #1, such as Romans 2:13, so there must be a reason that our salvation requires us to choose to do good works other than for the purpose of trying to earn it as a wage, such as faith. Our salvation is from sin (Matthew 1:21) and sin is the transgression of God's law (1 John 3:4), so while we do not earn our salvation by obeying it, living in obedience to it is nevertheless intrinsically part of the concept of Jesus saving us from not living in obedience to it. In Ephesians 2:8-10, we are new creation in Christ to do good works, so while we do not earn our salvation by our works lest anyone should boast, doing good works is nevertheless intrinsically part of our salvation from not doing good works. For example, honoring our parents is intrinsically part of Jesus saving us from not honoring our parents. So the fact that we do not earn our salvation by our works as a wage does not mean that our salvation does not require us to choose to do good works for a correct reason.

When a parent gives their child instructions, their primary goal is to teach them how to rightly live, not to reveal to them how bad they are at following instructions. While those instructions will reveal to them how bad they are at following instructions, there would be no point in giving a child instructions for the primary purpose of revealing to them how bad they are at following those instructions. In the same way, the primarily goal of God giving the gift of His law is to teach us how to do what is holy, righteous, and good (Romans 7:12) as well as express other aspects of His nature, while sin is what is against God's nature.
 
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There are people who tried to use the law to earn their salvation. But God showed me this. Do you know the Litmus Test is used to identify acid (acidity) and base (alkalinity)? If the Litmus paper turn red, it is an acid. If it turn blue it is a base. The law is the same as the Litmus test. Everyone is born a sinner but they do not know it. So God put the 10 commandments as a Litmus test to show us that we are all sinners. If you break any of the 10 commandments even once in your life, then you know you are a sinner. The law is not meant to save but just as a means to identify sinners. By obeying the 10 commandments and sin lesser does NOT turn you from a sinner into a righteous saint. Just like the Litmus test, an acid is identify when it turn red. Regardless how red (very red or pinky light red) it turn the litmus paper, it is still an acid.

Ephesians 2:8-9 For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith—and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God—not by works, so that no one can boast.

It is true we are not saved by our works, however, the idea can be pushed too far to say that works are not important. A person who is saved by faith will have works for God's Holy Spirit abides in them. A person who is a Christain will become more righteous than before due to the inner working of the Holy Spirit. As James says "Faith without works is dead".
 
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You cannot earn your salvation from God. It is either given or not given by God.
Earning our salvation as a wage has always been a fundamental misunderstanding of the goal of the law, which is why there are many verses that speak against trying to do that, but that doesn’t mean that we aren’t obligated to obey it for the purposes for which it was given.
 
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