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Did Peter write his first epistle from Rome?

Discussion in 'General Theology' started by ivebeenshown, Oct 15, 2010.

  1. ivebeenshown

    ivebeenshown Expert invisible poster and thread killer

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    I noticed he closed his first epistle with a greeting from 'the church in Babylon' and mentioning his son, Marcus.

    Also, Paul wrote in one of his epistles that Cephas had taken a wife.

    Did Peter settle down in Rome, marry, have a child, and tend the church in Rome as bishop while Paul traveled to and fro to preach the gospel?
     
  2. Yarddog

    Yarddog Senior Contributor

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    My personal opinion is that he wrote it from the Macedonian very early in Church history, maybe before God revealed to him to spread the Gospel to the Gentiles.
    Paul was referring to Peter's wife which he also had while with Jesus. There is a reference to Peter's mother-in-law.

    [FONT=Trebuchet MS, Arial, Geneva][FONT=Trebuchet MS, Arial, Geneva]Mt 8:14
    When Jesus came into Peter's home, He saw his mother-in-law lying sick in bed with a fever.
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    By the time that Peter went to Rome he was most likely a widower. There is no talk of his wife being there in the early writings.
     
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    First Peter was composed at Rome (5:13) sometime in AD 50-67. He wrote it as a letter of encouragement.

    St. Peter taught the Cappadocians too. Hmm... looks very...liturgical.

    Modeled after the Temple... why is that? The room pictured represents the Holy of Holies.

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    OrthodoxyUSA Well-Known Member

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    Here's one from the catacombe de roma.

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    Notice the Eucharistic Bread on the Altar?

    These things exist in all the Churches where St. Peter taught.

    The Church of Antioch as well.

    Very Liturgical for a fisherman... don't you think?

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  5. ivebeenshown

    ivebeenshown Expert invisible poster and thread killer

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    Thank you, I had since read and understood that Peter already had his wife in Jerusalem. Markus sure is a roman name though.
     
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    Not completely clear.

    Paul went to Rome, but said he didn't want to go where others had preached Christ. Either a slap at Peter or Peter went there after Paul or something else.

    Wasn't Babylon a 'code word' for Rome?
     
  7. Fireinfolding

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    Yeah I thought Rome declares herself babylon, no?
     
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    It's possible that Marcus was Peter's biological son, since he was married...but, it's also possible that it's John Mark...just as Paul made a habit of referring to Timothy as his son, meaning his child in the faith.
     
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    That thought too crossed my mind:thumbsup:
     
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    if it was his biological son, maybe he named him marcus because he was in rome now and wanted to give his son a latin name?
     
  11. OntheDL

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    Yes, Rome is Babylon. She even admits it herself

    From catholic.com

    Boettner is also wrong when he claims “there is no allusion to Rome in either of [Peter’s] epistles.” There is, in the greeting at the end of the first epistle: “The Church here in Babylon, united with you by God’s election, sends you her greeting, and so does my son, Mark” (1 Pet. 5:13, Knox). Babylon is a code-word for Rome. It is used that way multiple times in works like the Sibylline Oracles (5:159f), the Apocalypse of Baruch (2:1), and 4 Esdras (3:1). Eusebius Pamphilius, in The Chronicle, composed about A.D. 303, noted that “It is said that Peter’s first epistle, in which he makes mention of Mark, was composed at Rome itself; and that he himself indicates this, referring to the city figuratively as Babylon.” www.catholic.com/library/Was_Peter_in_Rome.asp
     
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    Babylon is offten used for the worldy powers, since pagan rome was the pagan world power at that time it is not surprising that the jews would call it babylon
     
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    Marcus most likely refers to the disciple of Peter's who wrote the Gospel Mark.
    He is also referred to as John Mark.

    Strong's says this: The word was Markos in Greek.

    [FONT=Trebuchet MS, Arial, Geneva]Mark = "a defense" [/FONT]
    1. [FONT=Trebuchet MS, Arial, Geneva]
      [*] an evangelist, the author of the Gospel of Mark. Marcus was his Latin surname, his Jewish name was John. He was a cousin of Barnabas and a companion of Paul in some of his missionary journeys
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    I am still studying this one out, the names and times I got to look at better not yet sure

    Following from here...

    Acts 12:12 And when he had considered the thing, he came to the house of Mary the mother of John, whose surname was Mark; where many were gathered together praying.

    Acts 3:13 Now when Paul and his company loosed from Paphos, they came to Perga in Pamphylia: and John departing from them returned to Jerusalem.

    Acts 12:25 And Barnabas and Saul returned from Jerusalem, when they had fulfilled their ministry, and took with them John, whose surname was Mark.

    Acts 15:36-41 And some days after Paul said unto Barnabas, Let us go again and visit our brethren in every city where we have preached the word of the Lord, and see how they do. And Barnabas determined to take with them John, whose surname was Mark. But Paul thought not good to take him with them, who departed from them from Pamphylia, and went not with them to the work. And the contention was so sharp between them, that they departed asunder one from the other: and so Barnabas took Mark, and sailed unto Cyprus; And Paul chose Silas, and departed, being recommended by the brethren unto the grace of God. And he went through Syria and Cilicia, confirming the churches.

    Not sure here...

    Gal 2:9 And when James, Cephas, and John, who seemed to be pillars, perceived the grace that was given unto me, they gave to me and Barnabas the right hands of fellowship; that we should go unto the heathen, and they unto the circumcision.

    Then Paul says here...

    2Ti 4:11 Only Luke is with me. Take Mark, and bring him with thee: for he is profitable to me for the ministry.

    From what he says in 2 Tim 1:8, 15-18; 4:9-16 Onesiphorus, "when he was in Rome sought him out"

    And Here Peter and Marcus

    1Peter 5:13 The church that is at Babylon, elected together with you, saluteth you; andso doth Marcus my son.


    Just started on this, figured I'd post what I have so far
     
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    Here Paul refers to Timothy as a son

    1Tim 1:2 Unto Timothy, my own son in the faith

    2Tim 1:2 To Timothy, my dearly beloved son: Grace, mercy, and peace, from God the Father and Christ Jesus our Lord.

    Peter writes here....

    1Peter 5:13 The church that is at Babylon, elected together with you, saluteth you; and so doth Marcus my son.
     
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    You don't understand "GodParents/GodChild" roles do you?

    Forgive me...
     
  17. ivebeenshown

    ivebeenshown Expert invisible poster and thread killer

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    That is cool, thank you for cluing me in! And you as well fireinfolding.

    OrthoUSA, what's up bro? Pimpin' the rituals of liturgy, I see. :p
     
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    :wave: Howdy.... Been wondering if you were going to take notice!

    It's all been just for you.

    Figure anything out yet? I spent decades trying to 'figure it out' before being shown the way.

    BTW ~ God parent, is a liturgical role.

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    pimping anti jubilee
     
  20. ivebeenshown

    ivebeenshown Expert invisible poster and thread killer

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    Anyone can say 'he's like a child to me' with or without a religious context...

    Anyways no, I'm still not particularly drawn to liturgical rituals.

    Hebrews 13:15
    By him therefore let us offer the sacrifice of praise to God continually, that is, the fruit of our lips giving thanks to his name.
     
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