Dangers of Three Evils in Seeking Charisms - John of the Cross

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This is long for a thread, I know. This is important, however, in rightly understanding that spiritual danger is very near, when seeking charisms.
John of the Cross writes of the dangers of three evils that can come upon the soul rejoicing in the supernatural goods of charisms (or charismatic graces), rather than in the spiritual goods of holy works of charity (from sanctifying graces).
-- Below is quoted from John of the Cross, The Ascent of Mt. Carmel (Book III) CHAPTER XXXI.

-- Of the evils which come to the soul when it sets the rejoicing of the will upon this kind of good.

Three principal evils, it seems to me, may come to the soul when it sets its rejoicing upon supernatural good. These are:
1) that it may deceive and be deceived;
2) that it may fall away from the faith; and
3) that it may indulge in vainglory or some other such vanity.

2. As to the first of these, it is a very easy thing to deceive others, and to deceive oneself, by rejoicing in this kind of operation. And the reason is that, in order to know which of these operations are false and which are true, and how and at what time they should be practiced, much counsel and much light from God are needful, both of which are greatly impeded by joy in these operations and esteem for them. And this for two reasons: first, because joy blunts and obscures the judgment; second, because, when a man has joy in these things, not only does he the more quickly become eager for them, but he is also the more impelled to practice them out of the proper season. And even supposing the virtues and operations which are practiced to be genuine, these two defects suffice for us to be frequently deceived in them, either through not understanding them as they should be understood, or through not profiting by them and not using them at the times and in the ways that are most meet. For, although it is true that, when God gives these gifts and graces, He gives light by which to see them, and the impulse whereby a man may know at what times and in what ways to use them; yet these souls, through the attachment and imperfection which they may have with regard to them, may greatly err, by not using them with the perfection that God desires of them therein, and in the way and at the time that He wills. We read that Balaam desired to do this, when, against the will of God, he determined to go and curse the people of Israel, for which reason God was wroth and purposed to slay him. And Saint James and Saint John desired to call down fire from Heaven upon the Samaritans because they gave not lodging to Our Savior, and for this He reproved them.

3. Here it is evident that these persons were led to determine to perform these works, when it was not meet for them to do so, by a certain imperfect passion, which was inherent in their joy in them and esteem for them. For, when no such imperfection exists, the soul is moved and determined to perform these virtues only in the manner wherein God so moves it, and at His time, and until then it is not right that they should be performed. It was for this reason that God complained of certain prophets, through Jeremias, saying: ‘I sent not the prophets, and they ran; I spake not to them, and they prophesied.’ And later He says: ‘They deceived My people by their lying and their miracles, when I had not commanded them, neither had I sent them.’ And in that place He says of them likewise: ‘They see the visions of their heart, and speak of them’; which would not happen if they had not this abominable attachment to these works.

4. From these passages it is to be understood that the evil of this rejoicing not only leads men to make wicked and perverse use of these graces given by God, as did Balaam and those of whom the prophet here says that they worked miracles whereby they deceived the people, but it even leads them to use these graces without having been given them by God, like those who prophesied their own fancies and published the visions which they invented or which the devil represented to them. For, when the devil sees them affectionate to these things, he opens a wide field to them, gives them abundant material and interferes with them in many ways; whereupon they spread their sails and become shamelessly audacious in the freedom wherewith they work these marvels.
5. Nor does the evil stop here. To such a point does their joy in these works and their eagerness for them extend that, if before they had a secret compact with the devil (and many of them do in fact perform these works by such secret compacts), it now makes them bold enough to work with him by an explicit and manifest compact, submitting themselves to him, by agreement, as his disciples and allies. Hence we have wizards, enchanters, magicians, soothsayers and sorcerers. And so far does the joy of these persons in their works carry them that, not only do they seek to purchase gifts and graces with money, as did Simon Magus, in order to serve the devil, but they even strive to obtain sacred things, and (which cannot be said without trembling) Divine things, for even the very Body of our Lord Jesus Christ has been seen to be usurped for the use of their wicked deeds and abominations. May God here extend and show to them His great mercy!

6. Everyone will clearly understand how pernicious are such persons to themselves and how prejudicial to Christianity. It may be noted here that all those magicians and soothsayers who lived among the children of Israel, whom Saul destroyed out of the land, because they desired to imitate the true prophets of God, had fallen into such abominations and deceits.

7. He, then, that has supernatural gifts and graces ought to refrain from desiring to practice them, and from rejoicing in so doing, nor ought he to care to exercise them; for God, Who gives Himself to such persons, by supernatural means, for the profit of His Church and of its members, will move them likewise supernaturally in such a manner and at such time as He desires. As He commanded His faithful ones to take no thought as to what they were to say, or as to how they were to say it, since this is the supernatural business of faith, it will likewise be His will (as these operations are no less a supernatural matter) that a man should wait and allow God to work by moving his heart, since it is in the virtue of this working that there will be wrought all virtue. The disciples (so we read in the Acts of the Apostles), although these graces and gifts had been infused within them, prayed to God, beseeching Him to be pleased to stretch forth His hand in making signs and performing works of healing through them, that they might introduce the faith of our Lord Jesus Christ into men’s hearts.

8. From this first evil may proceed the second, which is a falling away from the faith; this can come to pass after two manners. The first has respect to others; for, when a man sets out, unseasonably and needlessly, to perform a marvel or a mighty work, apart from the fact that this is tempting God, which is a great sin, it may be that he will not succeed, and will engender in the hearts of men discredit and contempt for the faith. For, although at times such persons may succeed because for other reasons and purposes God so wills it, as in the case of Saul’s witch164 (if it be true that it was indeed Samuel who appeared on that occasion), they will not always so succeed; and, when they do so, they go astray none the less and are blameworthy for having used these graces when it was not fitting. The second manner in which we may fall away is in ourselves and has respect to the merit of faith; for, if a man make much account of these miracles, he ceases to lean upon the substantial practice of faith, which is an obscure habit; and thus, where signs and witnesses abound, there is less merit in believing. In this way Saint Gregory says that faith has no merit when human reason provides experience. And thus these marvels are never worked by God save when they are really necessary for belief.
Therefore, to the end that His disciples should not be without merit, though they had experience of His resurrection, He did many things before He showed Himself to them, so that they should believe Him without seeing Him. To Mary Magdalene, first of all, He showed the empty tomb, and afterwards bade the angels speak to her (for, as Saint Paul says, faith comes by hearing); so that, having heard, she should believe before she saw. And, although she saw Him, it was as an ordinary man, that, by the warmth of His presence, He might completely instruct her in the belief which she lacked. And He first sent to tell His disciples, with the women, and afterwards they went to see the tomb. And, as to those who went to Emmaus, He first of all enkindled their hearts in faith so that they might see Him, dissembling with them as He walked. And finally He reproved them all because they had not believed those who had announced to them His resurrection. And He reproved Saint Thomas because he desired to have the witness of His wounds, by telling him that they who saw Him not and yet believed Him were blessed.

9. And thus it is not the will of God that miracles should be wrought: when He works them, He does so, as it were, because He cannot do otherwise. And for this cause He reproved the Pharisees because they believed not save through signs, saying: ‘Unless ye see marvels and signs, ye believe not.’ Those, then, who love to rejoice in these supernatural works lose much in the matter of faith.

10. The third evil is that, because of their joy in these works, men commonly fall into vainglory or some other vanity. For even their joy in these wonders, when it is not, as we have said, purely in God and for God, is vanity; which is evident in the reproof given by Our Lord to the disciples because they had rejoiced that devils were subject to them; for which joy, if it had not been vain, He would not have reproved them.
 

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Vainglory is less appealing, I think, as you pray more frequently.
And this makes sense...

3. Here it is evident that these persons were led to determine to perform these works, when it was not meet for them to do so, by a certain imperfect passion, which was inherent in their joy in them and esteem for them. For, when no such imperfection exists, the soul is moved and determined to perform these virtues only in the manner wherein God so moves it, and at His time, and until then it is not right that they should be performed. It was for this reason that God complained of certain prophets, through Jeremias, saying: ‘I sent not the prophets, and they ran; I spake not to them, and they prophesied.’ And later He says: ‘They deceived My people by their lying and their miracles, when I had not commanded them, neither had I sent them.’ And in that place He says of them likewise: ‘They see the visions of their heart, and speak of them’; which would not happen if they had not this abominable attachment to these works.
 
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Vainglory is less appealing, I think, as you pray more frequently.
And this makes sense...
John of the Cross does make sense - to those seeking Truth. Sadly, not all are. But John is a saint and a doctor of the Church: he knows of what he speaks, theologically and Scripturally and experientially. But there are many more who seek charisms with mixed or disordered motives, than are there those whose seeking is pure and righteous.

Thus, many seek vainglory in the charism - but it should be said, that many, many are misled about charisms - poorly taught - wrongly taught about them, wrongly encouraged to "go out and use them" with no insights into what John of the Cross is warning here about. That is, a charism must be enacted in God's will. The "when", the "where", the "how" and the "for whom" must be decided by God, not by the Christian who has concluded that the charism is his own, to use as he sees fit. As John of the Cross wrote, one given a charism from God must "perform these virtues only in the manner wherein God so moves it, and at His time, and until then it is not right that they should be performed."
 
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St John of the Cross' works were the favored in my OCDS group.

We began with St Teresa of Avila, but as she wrote, she is not good at writing.
She often goes off on a tangent before returning to the subject. This probably
had to do with her lack of education.

St. John of the Cross on the other hand, was an educated man and was good
at writing. He explained things that could be understood easily by our group.

Anyway, my favorite is The Living Flame of Love.
 
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St John of the Cross' works were the favored in my OCDS group.

We began with St Teresa of Avila, but as she wrote, she is not good at writing.
She often goes off on a tangent before returning to the subject. This probably
had to do with her lack of education.

St. John of the Cross on the other hand, was an educated man and was good
at writing. He explained things that could be understood easily by our group.

Anyway, my favorite is The Living Flame of Love.
God's ways are beautiful, and mysterious - the two examples you cite are so very different in their writing / teaching styles! And both are saints and Doctors of the Church. And both are so profoundly gifted, spiritually!
 
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I don't think charisms come because we seek.
And often times with charisms come responsibility and work.

One must be empty of seeking it, and whatever we have shall present itself.
Gifts are two fold:
A burden of sorts.
A blessing of sorts.

As for instance if one has the gift of tongues of Angels, there are more than good Angels in the universe.
The burden would be [and unafraid via the Lord] to know the existence of the unsavory ones.
The Blessings would be the Holy Spirit's Wisdom is more vivid.

As with all gifts, you must pray, have faith and stay in the Holy Spirit's guidance and He does not like vain glory and ego trippin'.
And well, with some gifts, you absolutely would understand why.
Where do ego trips come from?
As for instance.

So we must pray often to be emptied, and protected from temptations.
All that said: A gift from the Lord must be used for the Lord and moreover, all of given to glory of the Lord.
For we are only vessels to help one another with the gifts of choice that HE deems we ought to use to help one another for HIS Glory [He deserves and because our souls automatically want nothing more than to praise Him for the LOVE He is and fills us with as we've never known before] and remove and reduce ourselves so people only SEE Him at work.
Because - it is HIM at work.
 
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This is long for a thread, I know. This is important, however, in rightly understanding that spiritual danger is very near, when seeking charisms.
John of the Cross writes of the dangers of three evils that can come upon the soul rejoicing in the supernatural goods of charisms (or charismatic graces), rather than in the spiritual goods of holy works of charity (from sanctifying graces).
-- Below is quoted from John of the Cross, The Ascent of Mt. Carmel (Book III) CHAPTER XXXI.

-- Of the evils which come to the soul when it sets the rejoicing of the will upon this kind of good.

Three principal evils, it seems to me, may come to the soul when it sets its rejoicing upon supernatural good. These are:
1) that it may deceive and be deceived;
2) that it may fall away from the faith; and
3) that it may indulge in vainglory or some other such vanity.

2. As to the first of these, it is a very easy thing to deceive others, and to deceive oneself, by rejoicing in this kind of operation. And the reason is that, in order to know which of these operations are false and which are true, and how and at what time they should be practiced, much counsel and much light from God are needful, both of which are greatly impeded by joy in these operations and esteem for them. And this for two reasons: first, because joy blunts and obscures the judgment; second, because, when a man has joy in these things, not only does he the more quickly become eager for them, but he is also the more impelled to practice them out of the proper season. And even supposing the virtues and operations which are practiced to be genuine, these two defects suffice for us to be frequently deceived in them, either through not understanding them as they should be understood, or through not profiting by them and not using them at the times and in the ways that are most meet. For, although it is true that, when God gives these gifts and graces, He gives light by which to see them, and the impulse whereby a man may know at what times and in what ways to use them; yet these souls, through the attachment and imperfection which they may have with regard to them, may greatly err, by not using them with the perfection that God desires of them therein, and in the way and at the time that He wills. We read that Balaam desired to do this, when, against the will of God, he determined to go and curse the people of Israel, for which reason God was wroth and purposed to slay him. And Saint James and Saint John desired to call down fire from Heaven upon the Samaritans because they gave not lodging to Our Savior, and for this He reproved them.

3. Here it is evident that these persons were led to determine to perform these works, when it was not meet for them to do so, by a certain imperfect passion, which was inherent in their joy in them and esteem for them. For, when no such imperfection exists, the soul is moved and determined to perform these virtues only in the manner wherein God so moves it, and at His time, and until then it is not right that they should be performed. It was for this reason that God complained of certain prophets, through Jeremias, saying: ‘I sent not the prophets, and they ran; I spake not to them, and they prophesied.’ And later He says: ‘They deceived My people by their lying and their miracles, when I had not commanded them, neither had I sent them.’ And in that place He says of them likewise: ‘They see the visions of their heart, and speak of them’; which would not happen if they had not this abominable attachment to these works.

4. From these passages it is to be understood that the evil of this rejoicing not only leads men to make wicked and perverse use of these graces given by God, as did Balaam and those of whom the prophet here says that they worked miracles whereby they deceived the people, but it even leads them to use these graces without having been given them by God, like those who prophesied their own fancies and published the visions which they invented or which the devil represented to them. For, when the devil sees them affectionate to these things, he opens a wide field to them, gives them abundant material and interferes with them in many ways; whereupon they spread their sails and become shamelessly audacious in the freedom wherewith they work these marvels.
5. Nor does the evil stop here. To such a point does their joy in these works and their eagerness for them extend that, if before they had a secret compact with the devil (and many of them do in fact perform these works by such secret compacts), it now makes them bold enough to work with him by an explicit and manifest compact, submitting themselves to him, by agreement, as his disciples and allies. Hence we have wizards, enchanters, magicians, soothsayers and sorcerers. And so far does the joy of these persons in their works carry them that, not only do they seek to purchase gifts and graces with money, as did Simon Magus, in order to serve the devil, but they even strive to obtain sacred things, and (which cannot be said without trembling) Divine things, for even the very Body of our Lord Jesus Christ has been seen to be usurped for the use of their wicked deeds and abominations. May God here extend and show to them His great mercy!

6. Everyone will clearly understand how pernicious are such persons to themselves and how prejudicial to Christianity. It may be noted here that all those magicians and soothsayers who lived among the children of Israel, whom Saul destroyed out of the land, because they desired to imitate the true prophets of God, had fallen into such abominations and deceits.

7. He, then, that has supernatural gifts and graces ought to refrain from desiring to practice them, and from rejoicing in so doing, nor ought he to care to exercise them; for God, Who gives Himself to such persons, by supernatural means, for the profit of His Church and of its members, will move them likewise supernaturally in such a manner and at such time as He desires. As He commanded His faithful ones to take no thought as to what they were to say, or as to how they were to say it, since this is the supernatural business of faith, it will likewise be His will (as these operations are no less a supernatural matter) that a man should wait and allow God to work by moving his heart, since it is in the virtue of this working that there will be wrought all virtue. The disciples (so we read in the Acts of the Apostles), although these graces and gifts had been infused within them, prayed to God, beseeching Him to be pleased to stretch forth His hand in making signs and performing works of healing through them, that they might introduce the faith of our Lord Jesus Christ into men’s hearts.

8. From this first evil may proceed the second, which is a falling away from the faith; this can come to pass after two manners. The first has respect to others; for, when a man sets out, unseasonably and needlessly, to perform a marvel or a mighty work, apart from the fact that this is tempting God, which is a great sin, it may be that he will not succeed, and will engender in the hearts of men discredit and contempt for the faith. For, although at times such persons may succeed because for other reasons and purposes God so wills it, as in the case of Saul’s witch164 (if it be true that it was indeed Samuel who appeared on that occasion), they will not always so succeed; and, when they do so, they go astray none the less and are blameworthy for having used these graces when it was not fitting. The second manner in which we may fall away is in ourselves and has respect to the merit of faith; for, if a man make much account of these miracles, he ceases to lean upon the substantial practice of faith, which is an obscure habit; and thus, where signs and witnesses abound, there is less merit in believing. In this way Saint Gregory says that faith has no merit when human reason provides experience. And thus these marvels are never worked by God save when they are really necessary for belief.
Therefore, to the end that His disciples should not be without merit, though they had experience of His resurrection, He did many things before He showed Himself to them, so that they should believe Him without seeing Him. To Mary Magdalene, first of all, He showed the empty tomb, and afterwards bade the angels speak to her (for, as Saint Paul says, faith comes by hearing); so that, having heard, she should believe before she saw. And, although she saw Him, it was as an ordinary man, that, by the warmth of His presence, He might completely instruct her in the belief which she lacked. And He first sent to tell His disciples, with the women, and afterwards they went to see the tomb. And, as to those who went to Emmaus, He first of all enkindled their hearts in faith so that they might see Him, dissembling with them as He walked. And finally He reproved them all because they had not believed those who had announced to them His resurrection. And He reproved Saint Thomas because he desired to have the witness of His wounds, by telling him that they who saw Him not and yet believed Him were blessed.

9. And thus it is not the will of God that miracles should be wrought: when He works them, He does so, as it were, because He cannot do otherwise. And for this cause He reproved the Pharisees because they believed not save through signs, saying: ‘Unless ye see marvels and signs, ye believe not.’ Those, then, who love to rejoice in these supernatural works lose much in the matter of faith.

10. The third evil is that, because of their joy in these works, men commonly fall into vainglory or some other vanity. For even their joy in these wonders, when it is not, as we have said, purely in God and for God, is vanity; which is evident in the reproof given by Our Lord to the disciples because they had rejoiced that devils were subject to them; for which joy, if it had not been vain, He would not have reproved them.

These passages you've quoted are chock-full of wisdom!
Thank you for sharing them.
 
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These passages you've quoted are chock-full of wisdom!
Thank you for sharing them.
I am very happy to see the several comments, and emoji-responses, on this thread. I agree with you whole-heartedly, that there is much wisdom in this writing of St. John of the Cross. Not unlike Holy Scripture, his writings - this work, The Ascent of Mt. Carmel, and this particular chapter, in my humble opinion, is of crucial importance for the Church is these danger-ridden days.

The evil one seems to be loose, given new permissions and authorities to test, to tempt, to deceive, to lead away to his path of lies and ultimate death. We must stand firm and be on guard against him no matter whose lips may be moving and whose voice we think we are hearing - we must be alert to his evil spirit ever seeking to deceive, to kill, to destroy. We must not forget the horrific fall of St. Peter, and his three denials before his heart-pierced interior conviction and the sword of self-knowledge, before by Holy Grace his final recovery. But while still a man of double mind, he could and did say:
Mt 16:21 From that time Jesus began to show his disciples that he must go to Jerusalem and suffer many things from the elders and chief priests and scribes, and be killed, and on the third day be raised.
Mt 16:22 And Peter took him and began to rebuke him, saying, "God forbid, Lord! This shall never happen to you."
Mt 16:23 But he turned and said to Peter, "Get behind me, Satan! You are a hindrance to me; for you are not on the side of God, but of men."
And so we must listen, listen, listen to God for Truth - fully armed by Scripture and the Sacred Tradition of the Church.

I encourage all who are deeply troubled in the signs of these times, to turn to the Rock of Truth, ever-faithful. I find new strength in the Beloved Disciple's last words to us, given him by our Lord, His Book of Revelation in Holy Scripture. It begins:

Rev 1:1 The revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave him to show to his servants what must soon take place; and he made it known by sending his angel to his servant John,
Rev 1:2 who bore witness to the word of God and to the testimony of Jesus Christ, even to all that he saw.
Rev 1:3 Blessed is he who reads aloud the words of the prophecy, and blessed are those who hear, and who keep what is written therein; for the time is near.
 
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