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About a month ago, I stumbled across this Colonel-turned-columnist, and really got into his straightforward [edit] approach.

He also has a syndicated column and a website: www.hackworth.com

I ordered a couple of his books; I've finished Steel My Soldier's Hearts, and am in the middle of Hazardous Duty.

I'm just curious if any current or former soldiers have heard of him, and their opinions.
 

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I'm a longtime Hack fan. He's not perfect by any means, but he tells it to you straight with no BS. You have to read 'About Face' to really understand the man, and you'll also get some interesting perspectives on the Korean And Vietnam wars that aren't all that common today. Some have claimed that he was the inspiration for 'Colonel Kurtz' in Apocalypse Now, and the similiarity is there in the fact that Hack really did go rogue with his Special Ops command while in Vietnam (though not as extreme as Kurtz did in the movie, he did order unauthorize assasinations though).

Me personally, he's a hero. He was what leaders were supposed to be, caring more about their men than themselves and their own careers. You'd be surprised how rare that quality actually is.
 
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SoupySayles said:
I'm a longtime Hack fan. He's not perfect by any means, but he tells it to you straight with no BS. You have to read 'About Face' to really understand the man, and you'll also get some interesting perspectives on the Korean And Vietnam wars that aren't all that common today. Some have claimed that he was the inspiration for 'Colonel Kurtz' in Apocalypse Now, and the similiarity is there in the fact that Hack really did go rogue with his Special Ops command while in Vietnam (though not as extreme as Kurtz did in the movie, he did order unauthorize assasinations though).

Me personally, he's a hero. He was what leaders were supposed to be, caring more about their men than themselves and their own careers. You'd be surprised how rare that quality actually is.



He is a likeable no BS heroic guy who irritated the brass by speaking out.
He's very controversial , and an authority on Military matters and Nam in specific. Very highly decorated with lots of combat exp.
He has been involved in some less than aboveboard stuff. I think he was with the tiger force. http://www.toledoblade.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20040328/SRTIGERFORCE/403280375

You might want to consider this guy as the model for Kurtz, Col. Robert Rheault, , commander of all Special Forces troops in Viet Nam, in about 68/69.
The screenwriter has named him as the inspiration.
http://lists.village.virginia.edu/sixties/HTML_docs/Texts/Narrative/Stein_Lovely_War.html[URL=http://www.toledoblade.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20040328/SRTIGERFORCE/403280375]hackworth
 
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I think Hackworth was mentioned in the Tiger Force expose from the Blade. Was he the officer who ran the brothel out of his base so his boys wouldnt catch anything from the local prostitutes, and later was quoted saying the whole Vietnam war was one big atrocity? Who was the officer mel gibson plays in we were soldier once...and young?
 
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here is some of what Hackworth has to say about Vietnam:

The Vietnam War scarred me more severely than any of the eight Purple Hearts I'd received during almost eight years of combat. Up to Vietnam, I'd always been a Don Quixote-like idealist who believed that those who served our country as professional military officers did so only from the point of view of DUTY, HONOR, AND COUNTRY. But during Vietnam I finally got a look inside the inner circle of the Army's top brass -- and witnessed corruption and evil so great it broke my heart and arc-lighted my belief system.


In Vietnam, I also discovered that most of those at the top were concerned only with themselves, and few senior leaders understood the nature of the war or had a clue about the impossible mission with which they had tasked their soldiers. Most generals and colonels were there only to get combat command assignments and the right glory medals that would punch their ticket. Few cared about their men or the mission, most cared only about clawing their way up the promotion ladder. All but the brain-dead amongthem knew that it was a bad, unwinnable war that had no military objective; yet not one serving general stood tall and told the American people this truth. Instead, they just went-along-to-get-along, lining up our young men to become the pulverized filler for bodybags.

After observing this obscenity first-hand in the trenches of Vietnam for almost five years, I told the American people -- while in uniform and from Vietnam -- that the war was not winnable, they were being lied to and we should get out now. This act caused a General William Westmoreland-led counter-attack to destroy my credibility. The generals and their synchophants employed every dirty trick in their slimey attempt to silence me (for details, see About Face:The Odyssey of an American Warrior, Simon & Schuster 1989). They had to prove that I was wrong and they were right,and in so doing they violated every principle that makes America a free land. Disgusted with the US Army and disillusioned with my country, which my forefathers had settled in 1622, I went to Australia in self-exile. There, I made a new life and tried to forget Vietnam, but I couldn't shake that nightmare. It wouldn't go away not only because of bad dreams but also because Westmoreland and his followers launched a deceptive campaign of disinformation to rewrite the history of the Vietnam War. Their propaganda insisted that we lost the war not because of their poor leadership, butbecause of: THE PEACENIKS, THE COMMIE PRESS AND THE WEAK-KNEED POLITICIANS. They started the lie: "We won all the battles, but THEY lost the war."

I knew this was a lie, and this lie is what caused me to write About Face so that present and future generations would know and learn from the truth. Since About Face was published and I began my new career as a defense reporter, I sadly discovered that most of today's senior military leaders' values are frighteningly similar to these generals of the Vietnam era who sold their men and their country down the bloody drain. Most of the present crop of senior leadership are all into ME, ME, ME -- which explains the Somalias, Haitis, and Bosnias (for more details see Hazardous Duty, William Morrow 1996).​
For most of the 2.5 million Americans who fought there, Vietnam was a bad trip. For me, it became the launching pad of the journey I'm still on today -- to do everything in my power not to let that sort of bloodbath happen again.​
Vietnam gave me a new mission: To speak the truth and not let my children or your children or our country be doomed to repeat the horror, the waste and the futility of Vietnam. Thus began my crusade to wake up the American people.

 
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and Hackworth on John Kerry and Bush:




The Vietnam War rages on. Witness the barrages being fired by Viet vets on the right and the left: "George W. Bush is a draft-dodger"; "John F. Kerry isn't a war hero."

Once again, that tragic war divides America – and this time around, it's vet pitted against vet. Sure, Bush dodged the draft, along with a reported 14 million other Americans with the savvy to work out that Vietnam was a no-win, sorry war. But although he had the luck and the connections to land a spot in the Air Guard, he did put his butt on the line flying a machine for which he was entitled to hazardous-duty pay – and that's because zooming around in a jet fighter was and still is highly dangerous.



And sure, Kerry's campaign push on how he Ramboed his way through the war – for four months – rubs a lot of vets the wrong way. And it does take its toll on those of us who prefer our heroes to be modest, unassuming types like Alvin York – who stayed the course until it was "Over, over there."

But politics and style aside, Kerry did serve with distinction in Vietnam when he easily could have avoided that killing field. His service to his country shouldn't be diminished by the same despicable, politically motivated tactics visited upon Sens. John McCain in South Carolina and Max Cleland in Georgia, also Viet vets. This kind of gutter-bashing doesn't belong in American politics, and vets shouldn't allow themselves to be used as ammo for cheap shots at one of their own.

The stalwart Brown Water Navy warriors who fought at Kerry's side say he was A-OK, which is good enough for me. The muckrakers such as John O'Neill and his SWIFT-boat snipers – who didn't sail on his boat but served anywhere from 100 meters to 300 miles away – are now coming off like eyewitnesses when in fact not one of their testimonies would hold up in a court of law. A judge would call these men liars and disallow their biased statements.

I've been in a fair number of battles in my lifetime, first fighting for my country in several hot wars, then covering a dozen conflicts as a correspondent. And I've learned that if you can't see the fight right up close, smell it, hear it and touch it, you can't possibly bear witness.

This isn't the first time Kerry's been sniped at. Joe Klein wrote in the New Yorker that Nixon aide Charles Colson formed the Vietnam Veterans for a Just Peace in 1971 solely to attack John Kerry.

Colson told Klein that Kerry "was a thorn in our flesh. He was very articulate, a credible leader of the opposition. He forced us to create a counterfoil. We found a vet named John O'Neill and formed a group called Vietnam Veterans for a Just Peace. We had O'Neill meet the president, and we did everything we could do to boost his group."

O'Neill and his chorus of haters are still in their get-Kerry mode. I suspect the decades-long fury is still fueled by Kerry's high-profile anti-war stance when he returned home. A position that was taken by hundreds of thousands of other Viet vets, including myself in 1971 – which, according to Joe Califono's recent book "Inside: A Public Life," almost cost me my life.

McCain has already asked President Bush to distance himself from this "dishonest and dishonorable" attack. Advice that Bush should take one step further by ordering Vietnam draft-dodger Karl Rove and the rest of the character-assassination squad who zapped McCain and Cleland to back off. And then publicly stand tall and say that this type of behavior insults every vet who's served America in peace and war.

As our commander in chief, Bush also needs to bear in mind that the U.S. Navy and its high standards for handling awards are now on trial as well. Hopefully, the president's righteous actions will expedite that institution's exoneration along with Lt. John Kerry's heroism. Hopefully, too, these angry, troubled vets still haunted by the Vietnam War will eventually find closure. But one thing I know for sure – it won't come from fratricide.
 
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and my last post as I do my best "gunny" impression :)

Hackworth on atrocities, more specifically the Bob Kerrey controversy, of the Vietnam war:

Ex-Sen. Bob Kerrey's admission about a 1969 Vietnam atrocity might have generated a media feeding frenzy, but it's not news to me.

Nine years ago at Newsweek, I got a call from a man who claimed he was a "former SEAL" and whispered last week's headline news. But after some picking and shoveling, editor Maynard Parker and I walked away. Years later, another Newsweek reporter, Gregory Vistica, came up with the same story, and it, too, was spiked.

We never ran with my story because:

* The allegation couldn't be backed up. Participants had conflicting recall, common among warriors even immediately after a fight and especially decades later. No big surprise. Most eyewitnesses to a traumatic experience -- battle-related or civilian -- remember it differently.

* The whisperer couldn't explain why, since military law was on his side, he didn't stop the massacre. You know, "Lt. Kerrey, cease/desist or I'll shoot you." Or why he didn't immediately report the "war crime" per Navy regs. Or why he then sat on it for so many years.

Another reason was based on my almost five years in Vietnam, where, during that shameful war, there were thousands of such atrocities. My parachute battalion's first big "kill" in 1965 was a night ambush at An Khe that destroyed a tribal family who hadn't gotten the word about the curfew. The draftee unit I skippered in 1969 -- as I've recently discovered while doing interviews for a new book -- had at least a dozen such horrors. Most were reported at the time as "enemy killed." Thirty-two years later, the participants say: It was the easy way out; we couldn't handle the shame; the command was constantly pushing the body-count figure.

Everywhere our young men fought in Vietnam, where there were civilians, there was carnage. Especially in the Mekong Delta -- where Kerrey's commandos were hunting and being hunted by an armed enemy who was everywhere.

Most of us have heard of William Calley's My Lai massacre, where hundreds of noncombatants were cut down in a bloodbath led by a madman. But ask anyone who fought in the Delta, where 35 percent of Vietnam's population lived, if civilians got caught in the middle of the cross fire -- and the answer has to be yes.

Few innocents were killed on purpose. But it was a war with no front, and few of the enemy in the Delta wore uniforms or fought by the rules of war. Also, many women, children and old men were "freedom fighters" not unlike Americans during our War of Independence.

My division in the Delta, the 9th, reported killing more than 20,000 Viet Cong in 1968 and 1969, yet less than 2,000 weapons were found on the "enemy" dead. How much of the "body count" consisted of civilians?

John Paul Vann told me in April 1969 when he was in charge of pacification in the Delta that "at least 30 percent were noncombatants" and that he'd spoken to President Nixon about having the 9th immediately pulled out of the Delta. A month later, the division got its marching orders.

Gen. Julian Ewell, who commanded the 9th, never ordered his soldiers to kill civilians. Nor did I. Nor, in my judgment, did Bob Kerrey. Nor did most of the scared young men -- lying out in the mud night after night thinking every sound was an enemy who'd soon take their lives -- purposely kill civilians.

The Vietnam War was a 25-year running sore in which more than 5 million Southeast Asians died, nearly half a million Americans bled and millions of others still bear the pain and the shame and the scars.

This week, Vistica finally presents his sensational story of events long ago in print, followed by Dan Rather on television. But neither was on that op; neither has been a combat grunt. Vistica never served; Rather did have a go at becoming a Marine but never completed boot camp. As far as I'm concerned, neither is qualified to pass judgment on soldiers or sailors.

Matter of fact, neither of these frequent military bashers is fit to shine Kerrey's one jungle boot -- the other having been left behind in Vietnam with his foot in it while he bravely answered his country's call.
 
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Winteralfs; your impersonation, while technically correct in the cut and paste format, did not adhere to the required, biased fundementalist agenda as the only truth parameters..

Because of the presenting of factual summaries in a more balanced and interesting way your contribution, seems to have failed to capture the essence of impersonation .

I'm forced to say the information was nicely put.
And anything Col. Hackworth has to say on the subject ofWar, Nam, and the military has to be given careful consideration.

Lt. Gen. Harold G. Moore is the Soldier from "We Were Soldiers Once And Young"

And since you mentioned the Army run prostitution in Nam, I have two anecdotes and one current event.
The current event, The Army wants to alter the UCMJ to make paying a prostitute a court martial offence. Now there's some PC to make vets from the past roll their eyes.

1. There was a large facility of that type in Long Binh. Fully staffed with MP's guarding the gates. High fences dog patrols and an untold number of women and kids in residence.
You needed a special recreation pass to go there. I think I still have one somewhere.

2. In Korea the Army used to transport bus loads of prostitutes to the EM club by Camp Greaves.
This was a scheduled diversion for troops in the restricted DMZ.
The Army needed to keep troop strength at a very high level so passes South of the river were hard to get. To be fair it was a joint use facility for all branches N. of the river.
It was simpler to send Government vehicles to bring the girls in through the tight security at the bridge. The bus had a route to follow to pick up and drop off, it was run like a clock.
They had some wild weekends in that club, those faint of heart don't want the details.

As an aside the term hooker actually originated with a Union General in the Civil War.
He was well known for his lenient attitudes towards the ladies who attended the troops.
They became known as Hookers girls, eventually that became the generic title, hooker.
 
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Nathan Poe said:
About a month ago, I stumbled across this Colonel-turned-columnist, and really got into his straightforward [edit] approach.

He also has a syndicated column and a website: www.hackworth.com

I ordered a couple of his books; I've finished Steel My Soldier's Hearts, and am in the middle of Hazardous Duty.

I'm just curious if any current or former soldiers have heard of him, and their opinions.
from the wesite Nathan mentioned...
good post... Col. Hackworth is a man to listen to.
Military Awards



ENTITLEMENTS OF COL. DAVID H. HACKWORTH
(U.S. ARMY, RETIRED)

AWARDS & DECORATIONS
COLONEL DAVID H. HACKWORTH
(U.S. ARMY, RETIRED)


Individual Decorations & Service Medals:

* Distinguished Service Cross (with one Oak Leaf Cluster)
* Silver Star (with nine Oak Leaf Clusters)
* Legion of Merit (with three Oak Leaf Clusters)
* Distinguished Flying Cross
* Bronze Star Medal (with "V" Device & seven Oak Leaf Clusters)(Seven of the awards for heroism)
* Purple Heart (with seven Oak Leaf Clusters)
* Air Medal (with "V" Device & Numeral 34)(One for heroism and 33 for aerial achievement)
* Army Commendation Medal (w/ "V" Device & 3 Oak Leaf Clusters)
* Good Conduct Medal
* World War II Victory Medal
* Army of Occupation Medal (with Germany and Japan Clasps)
* National Defense Service Medal (with one Bronze Service Star)
* Korean Service Medal (with Service Stars for eight campaigns)
* Armed Forces Expeditionary Medal
* Vietnam Service Medal (2 Silver Service Stars = 10 campaigns)
* Armed Forces Reserve Medal

Unit Awards:

* Presidential Unit Citation
* Valorous Unit Award (with one Oak Leaf Cluster)
* Meritorious Unit Commendation

Badges & Tabs:

* Combat Infantryman Badge (w/ one Star; representing 2 awards)
* Master Parachutist Badge
* Army General Staff Identification Badge

Foreign Awards:

* United Nations Service Medal (Korea)
* Republic of Vietnam Campaign Medal with Device (1960)
* Vietnam Cross of Gallantry (with two Gold Stars)
* Vietnam Cross of Gallantry (with two Silver Stars)
* Vietnam Armed Forces Honor Medal (1st Class)
* Vietnam Staff Service Medal (1st Class)
* Vietnam Army Distinguished Service Order, 2d Class
* Vietnam Parachutist Badge (Master Level)
* Republic of Korea Presidential Unit Citation
* Republic of Vietnam Presidential Unit Citation
* Republic of Vietnam Gallantry Cross Unit Citation (with three Palm oak leaf clusters)
* Republic of Vietnam Civil Actions Honor Medal, First Class Unit Citation (with one Palm oak leaf cluster)

World War II Merchant Marine Awards:

* Pacific War Zone Bar
* Victory Medal

Note: As per a Department of the Army audit conducted by COL Pam Mitchell, Chief Personnel ServiceSupport Division on May 6 1999.
 
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