Christians, Muslims, and the "One God"

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Last week, Pope Francis received a collection of world religious leaders in his first ecumenical and interreligious event. His address to them contained diplomatic niceties and specific expressions of good will aimed at Orthodox, Protestants, Jews, and Muslims.

His remarks to the latter recognized that Muslims “worship the one living and merciful God, and call upon him in prayer.” In this he echoed the 1964 dogmatic constitution Lumen Gentium, which gave a nod to “the Mohammedans, who, professing to hold the faith of Abraham, along with us adore the one and merciful God, who on the last day will judge mankind.”

Now, both Lumen Gentium 16 and Pope Francis’s words have a pastoral rather than doctrinal purpose. Their aim is to build interreligious bridges by generously acknowledging whatever can be found to be true in other faiths—not to make precise pronouncements about their theology. That said, Lumen Gentium is an exercise of the ordinary magisterium, and even casual statements from a pope (be it this one from Francis or similar ones made by his predecessors) shouldn’t be taken lightly.

So, what does it mean to say that Muslims adore the one God along with us—to say, as can be reasonably drawn from these statements, that Muslims worship the same God as Catholics? We can consider the idea in several senses.

I think we can say with confidence that any monotheist who calls out to the Lord is heard by the Lord, whether it’s a Muslim, a pagan philosopher seeking the God of reason, or a Native American petitioning the Great Spirit. As Lumen Gentium 16 continues, God is not “far distant from those who in shadows and images seek [him].”

Likewise I think we’re on solid ground in saying that the subjective intention of Muslims is to worship the one God—moreover, the one God from the line of Abrahamic revelation. Whether or not their version of that revelation is authentic or correct, that’s what they “profess to hold” to. Furthermore, some of the attributes of the God to whom they address their worship are comparable to the Christian God’s: He is one, merciful, omnipotent, and the judge of the world.

Just as clearly, though, we cannot say that the God in whom Muslims profess to believe is theologically identical to the Christian God. For the most obvious example, their God is a “lonely God,” as Chesterton put it, whereas ours is a Trinity of persons. Beyond that difference, in the divine economy our Gods are also quite different: most pointedly in that ours took human nature to himself and dwelt among us on earth, whereas the Muslim God remains pure transcendence. To Muslims the idea of an incarnation is blasphemy.

And so perhaps we can distinguish between worship of God and belief in him, the former being more about the intent of the worshiper and the latter being more about the object of belief himself. Thus could Gerhard Müller, bishop emeritus of Regensburg and since last year the prefect of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, assert in 2007 that Muslims and Christians “do not believe in the same God,” and yet not contradict any magisterial teaching.

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I've said it before--St. John of Damascus taught that Islam was a Christian heresy. Something to consider. Put 'em in the same shelf as the gnostics, donatists, monophysites, arians, etc. They worship the same God with some severe misunderstandings of His nature, His energies, His actions in salvation history, and his relations with human beings. They have our God but looking at him through coke-bottle Waldo glasses so he is but a figure and you can't see how many fingers he's holding up....
 
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along with us adore the one and merciful God,

One can teach others - through truth - and if the other is given some form of respect - their hearts are more open to the graces that God sends forth to mankind on a continuing basis.

Telling them that God is merciful - the God they believe they worship - should [in a willing heart to understand] - give them pause in thought.

Take for instance - an Evangelical on the street yelling at folks what horrible sinners they are - is seldom going to convert anyone. As the last OT prophet - St John the Baptist was effective only because of not only his words - but his mannerism. Poverty, and piety. And because time and time again - when these sort of bold prophets came - mainly Elijah - they learned that God sent them. Elijah being witnessed to go to Heaven at death remained with them.

Todays modern and chaotic world leaves folks cold with this kind of witness. Its ineffective. Times do change - what worked for St John the Baptist doesnt work in todays society.
Then take St Francis for instance - did he chastise the priests and clergy who were causes abuses in the Church?
No, he simply kissed their hands.

Ppl just dont change in what reaches them from his era.

What seems outward soft maybe reaching the hearts of the ones who actually need the conversion.

Patience, prudence and being faithfully loving as Christ was to the many sinners of His time - who in error were softened to 'believe Him'.
 
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BTW - we dont believe they actually 'worship' Him in proper form [whatsoever] - and have a hugely imperfect understanding og Who he is. That doesnt mean this isnt their 'hope' they are right.
But pointing out God is merciful - something they dont quite understand [if you have read the koran] - and should give them pause. One can hope - since everyone desires mercy - that it will possibly urge them to discover what that means.

They may hear it come from the Church hundreds of times - but then that one time - they might begin to wonder about it. Offering love is always a wonderful tool in changing hearts. Thats why Christ ate with sinners and offered them His generous love - it converted them.
That is how He feels anyway - love for all His creatures... and beckoning them to Him is something that doesnt cease.
He loves the heretics as much as His faithful. He doesnt want souls lost.

ETA - this is also how pagans were converted by the peace in the martyrs who wished no ill as they were put in the lions den.
 
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There is only one God--and people from different cultures, faiths, and historical periods see that God in different ways and call that God by different names.

I refuse to believe that God hears the cries in people's hearts and refuses to listen because of semantics...

God is smarter and more compassionate than that, even if God's people aren't.
 
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To worship something other than God is to be an idolator, but Muslims have never been classified as that (unless someone mistakenly thought they adored the meteorite or Muhammed). As gurney mentioned, St. John Damascene (who lived and worked among them), explained how they used to be idolators before Muhammed came along, but now they believe heresy.

The article in the OP tries to make a distinction between objective and subjective intentions or knowledge, but that's the wrong distinction to make. The proper distinction is between speculative and affective knowledge. This is the distinction Archbishop Muller makes in his sermon, which is linked in the artice.

In his commentary on the Gospel of St. John (2265), St. Thomas explains the apparent contradiction between John 1:10 and Romans 1:19-21 by making this same distinction. Romans was referring to the speculative knowledge of God, that He can be known in a natural way through natural reason. The verse from John, on the other hand, was referring to the affective knowledge of God: knowing God as a Father through love, and receiving His revelation through faith. Muslims know God speculatively and mixed with many errors, while Catholics can know Him affectively and without error.

Muslims also worship him according to the virtue of religion, which is not a theological virtue, but falls under justice. St. Thomas defines this virtue in the Summa as "to show reverence to one God under one aspect, namely, as the first principle of the creation and government of things."

The above distinctions should also be noted in reference to other Biblical phrases: there should be noted a difference between worshipping God in Spirit and in truth, offering Him "true worship," being in the grace of the Father, "having" Him, "believing in Him" in the fullest sense of the phrase, etc., and worshipping God according to the virtue of religion or knowing Him with speculative knowledge.

If it's helpful, I wrote the following more in depth argument a long while back on why it is right to say Muslims acknowledge and worship the one God. (NB: this does not mean all religions worship the same God; those who worship contingent or created things, like Mormons, animists, etc. cannot be said to worship the same God).

Can Muslims be said to acknowledge and worship the one God according to the virtue of religion? They certainly worship "God" as First Principle and Supreme Governor of all things, but is it the same God we know? Can one acknowledge the one God without acknowledging the Trinity?

First, it needs to be pointed out that faith is required to acknowledge the Trinity. The Trinity cannot be reasoned out, as St. Vincent Ferrer explains:

St. Vincent Ferrer said:
Concerning the use of the intelligence with regard to the Trinity, St. Thomas asks whether the Trinity of the Divine Persons can be known by natural reasoning. He answers: "It is impossible to attain to the knowledge of the Trinity by natural reason." For man can obtain the knowledge of God by natural reason only from creatures. Now creatures lead us to God as effects do to their cause. Accordingly, by natural reason we can know of God that only which of necessity belongs to him as the principle of all things. Now, the creative power of God is common to the whole Trinity; and hence it belongs to the unity of the essence, and not to the distinction of the Persons. Therefore by natural reason we can know what belongs to the unity of the essence, but not what belongs to the distinction of the Persons. Whoever, then, tries to prove the Trinity of Persons by natural reason, derogates from faith.

Therefore, we can know of God, as the Principle of all things, from reason alone, apart from faith, but we can only know of the Trinity with faith since it is a revealed dogma. The First Vatican Council also defined that God can be known from natural reason alone (Dei Filius, Canon 2.1) and St. Paul says, on account of this, those who do not acknowledge God (but worship idols, are atheists, etc.) are without excuse (Rom. 1:20).
Therefore, one can acknowledge the one God and Creator of all things without having faith and acknowledging the Trinity. But do Muslims do this?

How can we say whether or not we are talking about the same thing? It is the essence of the thing that determines what it is. If we acknowledge the same essence, we acknowledge the same thing. What we can say about the essence of God is that it is the same as His existence. This is summed up as "God is" or, in His own words, "I AM" or "I AM who AM." (Exo. 3:14)

This concept is formally referred to as the "aesity" of God. Essentially, aesity means self-existence. Aesity explains the metaphysical nature of God as a purely self-existent being that exists in complete actuality. God is not a being that is created by another god; neither does God create Himself into existence. Rather, God has always existed as an unchanging, completely actualized being. God has his Being of himself and to himself such that he is absolute being and the very definition of existence (Acts 17:22-28). Since God’s existence is the same as his essence, it follows that God is existence. (Note: this not to assert pantheism. All other beings participate in his existence on a contingency and thus do not possess the essence of God. Therefore, no other being can be said to be a god or share a part in godhead since they exist solely on a contingency.) This concept is at the root of the definition of all of God’s other perfections because if God is absolute being he must logically contain in Himself all perfections of being.

Since God's essence is existence, if one acknowledges His essence, one can only acknowledge He who exists--it is impossible to acknowledge a completely actualized being that is not the true God. Similarly, there cannot exist two of such beings, because then neither would contain in Himself all perfections of being.

The Catholic Encyclopedia article on Essence and Existence gives the Thomist position on this:

Catholic Enclopedia said:
-If essence and existence were but one thing, we should be unable to conceive the one without conceiving the other. But we are as a fact able to conceive of essence by itself.
-If there be no real distinction between the two, then the essence is identical with the existence. But in God alone are these identical.

In other words, when essence and existence are but one thing, we cannot conceive of one without conceiving of the other. And this is the case only with God. Therefore, to conceive a being with aesity is to conceive of the one God who exists--it's impossible to conceive of something where essence and existence are identical, but that is not God.

Since Muslims do conceive of God as being completely self-actualized as far as I can tell (see here for example)--of being non-contingent--as having aesity, then they therefore can only be said to acknowledge the one God who exists and it is to Him that they honor as First Principle and Creator according to the virtue of religion.

I would say therefore that we know God; they know of God. We know Him affectively, they know Him only speculatively. We worship Him in Spirit and in Truth and serve Him in supernatural faith, they worship only in a natural way--but they do adore Him, despite their other errors.
 
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I've said it before--St. John of Damascus taught that Islam was a Christian heresy. Something to consider. Put 'em in the same shelf as the gnostics, donatists, monophysites, arians, etc. They worship the same God with some severe misunderstandings of His nature, His energies, His actions in salvation history, and his relations with human beings. They have our God but looking at him through coke-bottle Waldo glasses so he is but a figure and you can't see how many fingers he's holding up....
Do you happen to have a link where St. John of Damascus discusses this? I'd be interested in reading it.
 
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St. John of Damascus: Critique of Islam
From Writings, by St John of Damascus, The Fathers of the Church, vol. 37 (Washington, DC: Catholic University of America Press, 1958), pp. 153-160. Posted 26 March, 2006.

Here's where he distinguishes them as former idolators, but their current religion as a heresy similar to Arianism:

"These used to be idolaters and worshiped the morning star and Aphrodite, whom in their own language they called Khabár, which means great. [100] And so down to the time of Heraclius they were very great idolaters. From that time to the present a false prophet named Mohammed has appeared in their midst. This man, after having chanced upon the Old and New Testaments and likewise, it seems, having conversed with an Arian monk, [101] devised his own heresy."

Notice later too where he doesn't consider them to be worshipping a false God, but to be essentially mutilating the true God by denying His Word and Spirit.
 
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Is it really our right to make arbitrary decisions about whether the "God" people worship is "the real God" or something else?

If it's the only God they know then that's how "the real God" has been revealed to them, however imperfectly you think that may have been transmitted.

What sort of arrogance does it take for we outsiders to go into different cultures and make arbitrary decisions like that?

They are worshipping "the real God," who is the only God they know...

Ugh! Not only anti-ecumenical--anti-acceptable behavior, period.

Do I think some people worship false gods? Absolutely. Money. Possessions. Power. Control.

Hmm....a lot of so called worshippers of "the real God" put those things first in their lives, come to think of it.

Am I the only person in this forum who follows the gospel of common sense?
 
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Is it really our right to make arbitrary decisions about whether the "God" people worship is "the real God" or something else?

It's not arbitrary, but based on objective principles. There is a big difference between committing idolatry (an impediment to salvation, since worshipping creatures precludes theological faith) and not. It is important for the Church to recognize where a person's beliefs are sound and where they are not:

St. Augustine said:
And therefore, if he wish to come over to the Church, he is made sound in those points in which he was unsound and went astray; but where he was sound in union with the Church, he is not cured, but recognized—lest in desiring to cure what is sound we should rather inflict a wound.

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Their god is Muhammad's brain. Nobody benefitted more from being a prophet than Muhammad. If you look at the Biblical figures being chosen as a prophet usually made their life more difficult. Muhammad started a false religion and nobody even followed him until he started preaching wars. When he was preaching peace he had like 50 followers, when he started preaching war he gained 10,000 followers. Anytime he wanted something Allah would give him a convenient revelation allowing for it. The Quran says Muslims can have at most 4 wives and Allah said Muhammad could have as many as he wanted.

Our God loves us unconditionally because he created us and their gods love must be earned. The highest relationship you can have with their god is a slave to master relationship.
 
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Am I the only person in this forum who follows the gospel of common sense?


Didn't in the real Gospels Jesus say there was only one path to the father? Or did he say "yeah whatever thing you wanna worship as long as its a monotheistic God I'm cool with that, bro"

But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach a gospel to you besides that which we have preached to you, let him be anathema.

For if he that cometh preacheth another Christ, whom we have not preached; or if you receive another Spirit, whom you have not received; or another gospel which you have not received; you might well bear with him.
Jesus saith to him: I am the way, and the truth, and the life. No man cometh to the Father, but by me
Maybe along with the "gospel" of common sense you can include the gospel of st.John, st. Luke, St matthew or st mark...:idea:

and pick up some epistles too.
 
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