Charles Darwin & Genesis 3:5

[Oneiric1975]

That's easy to answer.

If they get testy about it, just say "God wrote it" and see where they go with that.

1 Thessalonians 2:13 For this cause also thank we God without ceasing, because, when ye received the word of God which ye heard of us, ye received it not as the word of men, but as it is in truth, the word of God, which effectually worketh also in you that believe.

And if they want to argue that, make them admit (if you can) that they don't believe in verbal plenary inspiration.

Then shake off the dust of your feet and move on.

Should I tell them to "take a hike"?

 

[AV1611VET]

Should I tell them to "take a hike"?

Nope.

Make them look disrespectful to their flag and/or country* first, then tell them their specific discipline can take a hike.

* Many flags have crosses on them, and many (most?) countries have national anthems that pay homage to God. O Canada, for example, has a prayer embedded in it.

 

[Estrid]

...and of course, based on the language used, there are questions as to whether Paul wrote Colossians.

I understand it is still up for debate.

Considering the impossibility that Paul's snake bite story could
be true, I'd discount anything he claimed.

 

[AV1611VET]

Considering the impossibility that Paul's snake bite story could be true, I'd discount anything he claimed.

Some would have Paul lost at sea before he ever got on that island.

 

[Oneiric1975]

Nope.

Make them look disrespectful to their flag and/or country* first, then tell them their specific discipline can take a hike.

* Many flags have crosses on them, and many (most?) countries have national anthems that pay homage to God. O Canada, for example, has a prayer embedded in it.

I may be missing something. Is Canada disrespecting God? Should they take a hike?

 

[AV1611VET]

I may be missing something.

No argument there.

Is Canada disrespecting God?

Who are we talking about? Canada or a subset of Canadians?

If anyone says Paul was "a bit new-agey," and you point out that Paul wrote Colossians to combat gnosticism, and they question whether Paul wrote Colossians or not, and you tell them then that God wrote it; don't just tell them to take a hike.

Get them to disrespect God and country first, then tell them.

 

[Oneiric1975]

No argument there.Who are we talking about? Canada or a subset of Canadians?

You put a head-slapping emoji there as if you made some clear point. That seems to be rather uncalled for, given that your point was opaque at best.

You do realize I can't read your mind, right?

Get them to disrespect God and country first, then tell them.

I'm still struggling with your seeming annoyance with some Canadians. What gives?

 

[AV1611VET]

I'm still struggling with your seeming annoyance with some Canadians. What gives?

Oh, brother!

I only used Canadians because I knew their national anthem had a prayer in it ... okay?

It was only one example out of about a hundred.

Here, I'll use another one:

England's National Anthem: God Save the Queen

Here's Guam's regional anthem:

Stand ye Guamanians for your country
And sing her praise from shore to shore
For her honor, for her glory
Exalt our isle forever more.
For her honor, for her glory
Exalt our isle forever more.
May everlasting peace reign o'er us
May Heaven's blessing to us come
Against all peril, do not forsake us
God protect our isle of Guam.
Against all peril, do not forsake us
God protect our isle of Guam.

Sheesh!

 

[Oneiric1975]

Oh, brother!

I only used Canadians because I knew their national anthem had a prayer in it ... okay?

It was only one example out of about a hundred.

Here, I'll use another one:

England's National Anthem: God Save the Queen

Here's Guam's regional anthem:

Stand ye Guamanians for your country
And sing her praise from shore to shore
For her honor, for her glory
Exalt our isle forever more.
For her honor, for her glory
Exalt our isle forever more.
May everlasting peace reign o'er us
May Heaven's blessing to us come
Against all peril, do not forsake us
God protect our isle of Guam.
Against all peril, do not forsake us
God protect our isle of Guam.

Sheesh!

And how does all this relate to disrespecting God? I need to know so I know whom to tell to take a hike! It's important to know.

 

[AV1611VET]

And how does all this relate to disrespecting God? I need to know so I know whom to tell to take a hike! It's important to know.

 

[Oneiric1975]

Ok, I get it. You can’t explain your point. That’s sad. I need to know when I’m supposed to tell someone to take a hike but now I can’t

 

[Hans Blaster]

Make them look disrespectful to their flag and/or country* first, then tell them their specific discipline can take a hike.

* Many flags have crosses on them, and many (most?) countries have national anthems that pay homage to God. O Canada, for example, has a prayer embedded in it.

Thankfully, my country's flag has no crosses and its national anthem doesn't reference any god. (At least not in the commonly sung verse.) A secular nation is the only way to go!

 

[AV1611VET]

Thankfully, my country's flag has no crosses and its national anthem doesn't reference any god.

You mean this one?

O thus be it ever, when freemen shall stand
Between their loved homes and the war's desolation.
Blest with vict'ry and peace, may the Heav'n rescued land
Praise the Power that hath made and preserved us a nation!
Then conquer we must, when our cause it is just,
And this be our motto: 'In God is our trust.'
And the star-spangled banner in triumph shall wave
O'er the land of the free and the home of the brave!

 

[Hans Blaster]

You mean this one?

O thus be it ever, when freemen shall stand
Between their loved homes and the war's desolation.
Blest with vict'ry and peace, may the Heav'n rescued land
Praise the Power that hath made and preserved us a nation!
Then conquer we must, when our cause it is just,
And this be our motto: 'In God is our trust.'
And the star-spangled banner in triumph shall wave
O'er the land of the free and the home of the brave!

You sing that one at ball games? I don't think so. Read what I said and quit being obtuse.

 

[Ophiolite]

Paul wrote the book of Colossians to combat gnosticism.

Thank you. Until now I was unsure who to blame for that.

 

[Bradskii]

That horrible mechanistic gravity don't hold the sun together and
didn't ignore fusion there, still less can it be allowed to keep
the planets in orbit or control the tide.

It's like someone saying that the Mona Lisa is a great photo. Quite beautiful. Marvellous. Isn't God a great photographer. One snap and there it is! And you have to explain that it's not an instant snapshot. It's made up of thousand upon thousand of individual brushstrokes each perfectly placed to compliment the others. If you look close enough you can see how brilliantly it all fits together. You can see the mastery. The tones, the placement of each stroke, the selection of colours, the texture...

To some, it will always be just a pretty picture.

 

[AV1611VET]

To some, it will always be just a pretty picture.

I don't need to be a botanist to enjoy the smell of a rose.

 

[Bradskii]

I don't need to be a botanist to enjoy the smell of a rose.

There are those who will just enjoy it without knowing why. And there are those who will endeavour to find out why it smells as good as it does and they will get an extra dimension to the pleasure it gives them.

And then we have you. Someone who will try to convince others that so called 'Botanism' denies God.

 

[Ophiolite]

And then we have you. Someone who will try to convince others that so called 'Botanism' denies God.

The thing I dislike about botanists is their flowery language.

 

[dlamberth]

I don't know if it is a valid hypothesis or not, but they point to some of Paul's writings. So maybe Paul himself was a bit "new-agey".

I think more mystically...there's the road to Damascus event that was a bit interesting.