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So I did a search before bringing this up because I suspect it has been talked about plenty on here. Sure enough there are two massive threads in the last year, the John MacArthur possible heretic thread and the 1st Corinthians 13:10 thread seem to have a lot of content about this. I am going to try and work my way through those when I have time but I figured it would be ok to start a new one specifically on this subject since I didn't see anything else asking about this recently.
My pastor this weekend brought up Cessationism vs Continuationism. It was a more of a side note to the sermon, and since he is a Methodist pastor, of course he said that he was a Continuationist. However, while almost all of his sermons rely heavily on what the Bible actually says, his explanation felt a bit more anecdotal this time. Of course I threw away the program after church (I so often regret it, but they do pile up if I don't) so I can't look at the exact scriptures used in the sermon until next Sunday. But I was thinking about it. I have known about these terms and their meaning for a long time. I have always been more partial to Cessationism, but that leaning is the result of my natural skepticism to modern day miracles, speaking in tounges, etc, and not based on anything actually Biblical or based on any adherence to Reformed theology (My beliefs are generally Arminian)
So I have started doing a little bit of research since I really do not understand the subject. I see 1 Corinithians 13:8-12
"8 Love never fails. But where there are prophecies, they will cease; where there are tongues, they will be stilled; where there is knowledge, it will pass away. 9 For we know in part and we prophesy in part, 10 but when completeness comes, what is in part disappears. 11 When I was a child, I talked like a child, I thought like a child, I reasoned like a child. When I became a man, I put the ways of childhood behind me. 12 For now we see only a reflection as in a mirror; then we shall see face to face. Now I know in part; then I shall know fully, even as I am fully known."
It seems to me the biggest argument about this is "10 but when completeness comes, what is in part disappears." and what this actually means.
It also feels like the Cessationist argument makes a lot of sense when it comes to prophesy and new revelations.
At the same time there is: 1 Thessalonians 5:19-21
"19Do not quench the Spirit. 20Do not despise the words of prophets, 21but test everything; hold fast to what is good;"
So I am not trying to argue for or against. I am predisposed to the Cessationist argument, but that isn't because any Biblical understanding. I am pretty Wesleyan on most other stuff. But I don't know this subject. Is it Biblical to be a partial cessationist when it comes to prophecy and new revelation, but still believe in miracles? How should 1 Thessalonians 5:19-21 be interpreted? I am just looking for a more detailed explanation and real Biblical arguments for or against these ideas, rather than relying on what I find on Wikipedia? I am also always happy to read literature that explains the arguments if you know of any good ones.
Thank yall
My pastor this weekend brought up Cessationism vs Continuationism. It was a more of a side note to the sermon, and since he is a Methodist pastor, of course he said that he was a Continuationist. However, while almost all of his sermons rely heavily on what the Bible actually says, his explanation felt a bit more anecdotal this time. Of course I threw away the program after church (I so often regret it, but they do pile up if I don't) so I can't look at the exact scriptures used in the sermon until next Sunday. But I was thinking about it. I have known about these terms and their meaning for a long time. I have always been more partial to Cessationism, but that leaning is the result of my natural skepticism to modern day miracles, speaking in tounges, etc, and not based on anything actually Biblical or based on any adherence to Reformed theology (My beliefs are generally Arminian)
So I have started doing a little bit of research since I really do not understand the subject. I see 1 Corinithians 13:8-12
"8 Love never fails. But where there are prophecies, they will cease; where there are tongues, they will be stilled; where there is knowledge, it will pass away. 9 For we know in part and we prophesy in part, 10 but when completeness comes, what is in part disappears. 11 When I was a child, I talked like a child, I thought like a child, I reasoned like a child. When I became a man, I put the ways of childhood behind me. 12 For now we see only a reflection as in a mirror; then we shall see face to face. Now I know in part; then I shall know fully, even as I am fully known."
It seems to me the biggest argument about this is "10 but when completeness comes, what is in part disappears." and what this actually means.
It also feels like the Cessationist argument makes a lot of sense when it comes to prophesy and new revelations.
At the same time there is: 1 Thessalonians 5:19-21
"19Do not quench the Spirit. 20Do not despise the words of prophets, 21but test everything; hold fast to what is good;"
So I am not trying to argue for or against. I am predisposed to the Cessationist argument, but that isn't because any Biblical understanding. I am pretty Wesleyan on most other stuff. But I don't know this subject. Is it Biblical to be a partial cessationist when it comes to prophecy and new revelation, but still believe in miracles? How should 1 Thessalonians 5:19-21 be interpreted? I am just looking for a more detailed explanation and real Biblical arguments for or against these ideas, rather than relying on what I find on Wikipedia? I am also always happy to read literature that explains the arguments if you know of any good ones.
Thank yall