Can Deborah be classified under Judges?

[Righttruth]

Deborah was a prophetess. She claims to be a mother in Israel.

 

[chunkofcoal]

Yes, Deborah was a judge.
Jdg 4:4-5 And Deborah, a prophetess, the wife of Lapidoth, she judged Israel at that time. (5) And she dwelt under the palm tree of Deborah between Ramah and Bethel in mount Ephraim: and the children of Israel came up to her for judgment.

 

[Righttruth]

Yes, Deborah was a judge.
Jdg 4:4-5 And Deborah, a prophetess, the wife of Lapidoth, she judged Israel at that time. (5) And she dwelt under the palm tree of Deborah between Ramah and Bethel in mount Ephraim: and the children of Israel came up to her for judgment.

Judge was supposed to lead an army or a group of people to suppress or eliminate enemies of Israel. He was also expected to protect people. He should have authority to guard the Law. That was not possible for Deborah. She was a lawyer, so to say, to the Law.

 

[Dkh587]

Yes

 

[Righttruth]

Yes

I don't think so because Judges were shadows of Moses and Joshua and forerunners of kings. Deborah was like Miriam in the period of Moses and Aaron.

 

[singpeace]

God's message came through Deborah to a man named Barak, that he would lead the revolt against Sisera. Barak’s response was, “I’ll only go if Deborah goes with me” (Judges 4:8). Deborah agreed to accompany Barak, but she prophesied that the victory would belong to a woman and not to Barak because he was afraid (Judges 4:9).

When it was time to get ready for battle, God spoke again through Deborah, who told Barak to prepare his army. God gave victory to the Israelites over Sisera, and the mighty Sisera himself was brought down by the hand of a woman, just as Deborah had said.

 

[Righttruth]

God's message came through Deborah to a man named Barak, that he would lead the revolt against Sisera. Barak’s response was, “I’ll only go if Deborah goes with me” (Judges 4:8). Deborah agreed to accompany Barak, but she prophesied that the victory would belong to a woman and not to Barak because he was afraid (Judges 4:9).

When it was time to get ready for battle, God spoke again through Deborah, who told Barak to prepare his army. God gave victory to the Israelites over Sisera, and the mighty Sisera himself was brought down by the hand of a woman, just as Deborah had said.

Right. But doesn't make Deborah a judge. That is why she was not listed with other judges in Hebrews 11:32 and Barak is mentioned

 

[Dkh587]

I don't think so because Judges were shadows of Moses and Joshua and forerunners of kings. Deborah was like Miriam in the period of Moses and Aaron.

The Tanach tells us Deborah judged Israel, thus making her a judge. I understand if you don’t think She was, but our personal opinions should be set aside when discussing what the scriptures say: Deborah was a judge

 

[chunkofcoal]

Judge was supposed to lead an army or a group of people to suppress or eliminate enemies of Israel. He was also expected to protect people. He should have authority to guard the Law. That was not possible for Deborah. She was a lawyer, so to say, to the Law.

The people were supposed to listen to the judges, to keep the commandments of the LORD, and when they didn't, enemies rose up against them. And the LORD was with the judge to deliver them out of the hands of the enemies. Deborah went with Barak to the battle. Deborah was a judge, included in the Book of Judges.

 

[chunkofcoal]

Right. But doesn't make Deborah a judge. That is why she was not listed with other judges in Hebrews 11:32 and Barak is mentioned

The writer of Hebrews didn't include all the names of the faithful and the heroes of the Old Testament, like Deborah, because the people he was writing to were familiar with all the stories.

 

[A_Thinker]

Judges 4:4-5 And Deborah, a prophetess, the wife of Lapidoth, she judged Israel at that time. (5) And she dwelt under the palm tree of Deborah between Ramah and Bethel in mount Ephraim: and the children of Israel came up to her for judgment.

Judge was supposed to lead an army or a group of people to suppress or eliminate enemies of Israel. He was also expected to protect people. He should have authority to guard the Law. That was not possible for Deborah. She was a lawyer, so to say, to the Law.

Are you arguing against clear scripture ?

 

[Righttruth]

The Tanach tells us Deborah judged Israel, thus making her a judge. I understand if you don’t think She was, but our personal opinions should be set aside when discussing what the scriptures say: Deborah was a judge

There are other versions that translate differently.

 

[Righttruth]

The people were supposed to listen to the judges, to keep the commandments of the LORD, and when they didn't, enemies rose up against them. And the LORD was with the judge to deliver them out of the hands of the enemies. Deborah went with Barak to the battle. Deborah was a judge, included in the Book of Judges.

Did she get involved in the battle? No. Judges are expected to get involved. Encouragement doesn't entitle a status of judge.

 

[Righttruth]

The writer of Hebrews didn't include all the names of the faithful and the heroes of the Old Testament, like Deborah, because the people he was writing to were familiar with all the stories.

A woman raising to a position meant for men, cannot go unnoticed if she really got that status.

 

[Righttruth]

Are you arguing against clear scripture ?

No, that is what the really story is.

 

[A_Thinker]

There are other versions that translate differently.

Share some of those translations, please ...

 

[A_Thinker]

Right. But doesn't make Deborah a judge. That is why she was not listed with other judges in Hebrews 11:32 and Barak is mentioned

As has been mentioned ... ALL of the faithful of God are not included here. This listing is not meant to be all-encompassing.

 

[A_Thinker]

Did she get involved in the battle? No. Judges are expected to get involved. Encouragement doesn't entitle a status of judge.

Deborah's position regarding the battle was that of prophet (i.e. spoke-person for God). Barak followed her direction ...

 

[tampasteve]

Yes, she was a Judge. The way I see it:

1. The scripture tells us she was a Judge.
2. Hebrews does not mention all the Judges (not even close to all of them) so cannot be used to show she was not.
3. Perhaps it does not agree with your idea of what a Judge was, but the scripture is clear.

I really do not know how this is up for debate, the scripture is quite clear:

Judges 4:4-5 (KJV)
4 And Deborah, a prophetess, the wife of Lapidoth, she judged Israel at that time.

5 And she dwelt under the palm tree of Deborah between Ramah and Bethel in mount Ephraim: and the children of Israel came up to her for judgment.

Judges 4:4-5 (YLT)
4 And Deborah, a woman inspired, wife of Lapidoth, she is judging Israel at that time,

5 and she is dwelling under the palm-tree of Deborah, between Ramah and Beth-El, in the hill-country of Ephraim, and the sons of Israel go up unto her for judgment.

 

[Righttruth]

Share some of those translations, please ...

Judges 4: 4 Now Deborah, a prophetess, wife of Lappidoth, was leading Israel at that time.
5 She would sit under the Date Palm Tree of Deborah between Ramah and Bethel in the Ephraimite hill country. The Israelites would come up to her to have their disputes settled.[New English Translation]