Can a Pope be an 'Antichrist'?

Can a Pope be an 'Antichrist'?

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I understand that we must respect our Pope as the Holy Father, Vicar of Christ and Successor to St. Peter's Chair, no matter what. However, some Popes in our past look, well, evil. We know from Revelation that we have an 'Antichrist' in our future. Could Revelation's 'Antichrist' be a Pope?

So, using, hind sight, on popes past, what would an Antichrist Pope, if there were Antichrist popes, look like? Or, would it be bad or evil on our part to consider a Pope, any Pope, an Antichrist?

I think the Apparitions of the Blessed Mother of La Salette speak of the possibility of an Antichrist Pope.

I selected Pope Benedict IX as an example but there are others. Could this Pope be considered an Antichrist?

Pope Benedict IX 145 th (1035-45) and again 147th (1045) and then again 150 th(1047 -1048) Pope.

The nephew of his two immediate predecessors, Benedict IX was a man of very different character to either of them. He was a disgrace to the Chair of Peter. Regarding it as a sort of heirloom, his father Alberic placed him upon it when a mere youth, not, however, apparently of only twelve years of age (according to Raoul Glaber, Hist., IV, 5, n. 17. Cf. V, 5, n. 26), but of about twenty (October, 1032). Of his pontifical acts little is known, except that he held two or three synods in Rome and granted a number of privileges to various churches and monasteries. He insisted that Bretislav, Duke of Bohemia, should found a monastery, for having carried off the body of St. Adalbert from Poland. In 1037 he went north to meet the Emperor Conrad and excommunicated Heribert, Archbishop of Milan, who was at emnity with him (Ann. Hildesheimenses, 1038). Taking advantage of the dissolute life he was leading, one of the factions in the city drove him from it (1044) amid the greatest disorder, and elected an antipope (Sylvester III) in the person of John, Bishop of Sabina (1045 -Ann. Romani, init. Victor, Dialogi, III, init.). Benedict, however, succeeded in expelling Sylvester the same year; but, as some say, that he might marry, he resigned his office into the hands of the Archpriest John Gratian for a large sum. John was then elected pope and became Gregory VI (May, 1045). Repenting of his bargain, Benedict endeavoured to depose Gregory. This resulted in the intervention of King Henry III. Benedict, Sylvester, and Gregory were deposed at the Council of Sutri (1046) and a German bishop (Suidger) became Pope Clement II. After his speedy demise, Benedict again seized Rome (November, 1047), but was driven from it to make way for a second German pope, Damasus II (November, 1048). Of the end of Benedict it is impossible to speak with certainty. Some authors suppose him to have been still alive when St. Leo IX died, and never to have ceased endeavouring to seize the papacy. But it is more probable that the truth lies with the tradition of the Abbey of Grottaferrata, first set down by Abbot Luke, who died about 1085, and corroborated by sepulchral and other monuments within its walls. Writing of Bartholomew, its fourth abbot (1065), Luke tells of the youthful pontiff turning from his sin and coming to Bartholomew for a remedy for his disorders. On the saint's advice, Benedict definitely resigned the pontificate and died in penitence at Grottaferrata. [See "St. Benedict and Grottaferrata" (Rome, 1895), a work founded on the more important "De Sepulcro Benedicti IX", by Dom Greg. Piacentini (Rome, 1747).]

From: CATHOLIC ENCYCLOPEDIA: Pope Benedict IX
 
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Anybody can be an anti-christ. Scripture says as much. Anyone that goes against the Gospel can be considered an anti-christ. Someone can refuse to cooperate with the Holy Spirit after a time & adopt an anti-christ like spirit.

People always think of the anti-christ as one powerful being ushering in the end times. But anti-christs have been running all over the place for ages.
 
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You guys are both out of luck. I talked to the antichrist yesterday, and she said she's so disgusted with the way her army of darkness in Washington has been handling things, that she's going to cancel the rest of the meetings for this year.

She's really upset, too, because she does some of her best business right around Christmastime, which is coming up soon. Of course, Satan isn't too happy, either---she has her hands full with these new priests coming up who couldn't care less about social justice---they'd rather preach about sanctity and salvation, and she's worked so hard over the last fifty years to try to distract the Church with poofy feelgoodism, only to have this happen----to Satan! The devil herself! She is livid, according to what the antichrist said.
 
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No. A legitimate Pope who is the successor of Saint Peter cannot be the antichrist because it would mean Jesus lied to us. The Gates of Hades will never overcome the church and if the Pope was the antichrist then obviously those Gates would have overcome the church.

We have had a few bad Popes in our 2000 year history but the majority were not. Luckily the bad Popes were too busy sinning to do anything else.

Anybody can be "An" antichrist by holding heretical beliefs but if a Pope held these beliefs he would not be our Pope and he would be disposed of. Everybody is held to the same standard and if you reject a doctrine established by the church then you would have put yourself outside of the church. Obviously we couldn't follow a man if he didn't belong to the Catholic church.
 
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No. A legitimate Pope who is the successor of Saint Peter cannot be the antichrist because it would mean Jesus lied to us. The Gates of Hades will never overcome the church and if the Pope was the antichrist then obviously those Gates would have overcome the church.

We have had a few bad Popes in our 2000 year history but the majority were not. Luckily the bad Popes were too busy sinning to do anything else.

Anybody can be "An" antichrist by holding heretical beliefs but if a Pope held these beliefs he would not be our Pope and he would be disposed of. Everybody is held to the same standard and if you reject a doctrine established by the church then you would have put yourself outside of the church. Obviously we couldn't follow a man if he didn't belong to the Catholic church.

Actually, the pope can be a heretic. The Holy Spirit will prevent him from teaching his heresy infallibly, but there have been popes with heretical private opinions.
 
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Actually, the pope can be a heretic. The Holy Spirit will prevent him from teaching his heresy infallibly, but there have been popes with heretical private opinions.
You are right. Yes there have.

Just because the Holy Spirit guides the cardinals to elect someone as Pope, it does not mean they are suddenly perfect & sinless. They still have freedom of choice & can choose to do the wrong thing. But as you said, the Holy Spirit protects the Church from proclaiming heretical teachings from the chair.
 
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Actually, the pope can be a heretic. The Holy Spirit will prevent him from teaching his heresy infallibly, but there have been popes with heretical private opinions.
I might not of been clear but that is basically what I was talking about.
 
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If by "anti-Christ" you mean someone who is genuinely against Christ? Then yes, and history attests to this fact (terrible Pope = anti-Christ).

However, if you mean "anti-Christ" as in the being that will wage war against Christ himself during the Armaggedon? Then no, since the Pope of Rome is the Vicar of Christ, thus will be at the right hand of Christ during the Armaggedon.
 
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Hello All,

Thank you all for your responses. This is the most important issue I wanted to discuss with you all. I was a bit worried that it could be a touchy subject but you all seem very open to talk about it. This is the Big issue in apocalyptic scriptures.

On the other side of the Battle of Armageddon, in Christ's 'Kingdom Come' of Messianic Reign, there really is only one enemy of Christ's to worry about. That foe is, what Jesus calls, 'the desolating abomination spoken of through Daniel the prophet standing in the holy place'. All of Christ's, and His Church's, other foes are defeated at the Battle of Armageddon. It is the Desolating abomination, standing on Holy Ground, who eventually, tens of thousands of years from now, will be the death of Zion and Messianic Reign on earth. (Jesus rules in heaven forever after Zion dies on earth) Please let me explain.

Four fall from power at the Battle of Armageddon, Satan, the harlot, the false prophet, and the beast. Satan is man's evil pride in the beast, harlot and false prophet. All of these four were given power on earth by God.

Satan, the beast, is secular power. God was King over Israel from the Exodus until 587 B.C., when God handed Israel over to be ruled by man's evil pride in secular power, King Nebuchadnezzar and his successors.
Fallen Angel, Morning Star, Nebuchadnezzar, King of Babylon

The harlot is Ephraim. Jacob/Israel bypassed his twelve sons/tribes, the Jews included, and placed the blessing of Abraham on his son Joseph's son, Ephraim. The blessing of Abraham is, world dominant power, great wealth, and myriads of descendants. Jacob prophesied that Ephraim would grow to become a multitude of nations. Ephraim is the white race of today.
Broken Hearted God; The Fall of the 'Harlot of Babylon'

The false prophet is the Jews. King David and the Jewish religion are given power from God. The Jewish religion looses all it power at Armageddon.
The Fall of the False Prophet

Jesus takes over as King and Ruler of the world upon victory at the Battle of Armageddon. Jesus will Rule with and through His Church, the Catholic Church.

With Jesus Ruling the world, and not secular power, how could things ever go bad? Jesus will never let us down! It is not Jesus, but His, Messianic Reign, co-rulers, who, eventually, bring us to doomsday. If, under Messianic Reign, there were a bad guy who takes world dominant power from Christ's Apostles, then this would mean that Messianic Reign had ended. This cannot happen. Once Jesus Rules the world, He will rule forever. Christ's Apostles will Rule the world, with Jesus, right on through doomsday.

Satan is man's evil pride on earth. Using the 'sword of Christ's mouth, the binding of sins, Church anathema, Apocalyptic Angels/Apostolic Successors, chain, man's evil pride, which is Satan, in hell, at the Battle of Armageddon.
Satan, code-name Babylon, Falls at the Battle of Armageddon

Tens of thousands of years later, right before doomsday, Satan, aka the dragon, is released from hell to wreak havoc on the world. Satan is man's evil pride. The key which releases Satan from hell is papal pride. It is Christ's Apostles themselves who, eventually, become the 'desolating abomination standing on Holy ground', aka the 'anti-Christ'.

This is a good thing to know, understand, and prepare for, before we go into Messianic Reign. What do you think?

from: 'The Desolating Abomination' 'Standing in the Holy Place'.

NAB2 REV 13:11 (Also compare to DAN 7:3)

Then I saw another beast come up out of the earth; it had two horns like a lamb’s but spoke like a dragon.


NAB2 MAT 24:3

As he was sitting on the Mount of Olives, the disciples approached him privately and said, “Tell us, when will this happen, and what sign will there be of your coming, and of the end of the age?” ...//...MAT 24:14 And this gospel of the kingdom will be preached throughout the world as a witness to all nations, and then the end will come. “When you see the desolating abomination spoken of through Daniel the prophet standing in the holy place

NAB REV 17:7

I will explain to you the mystery of the woman and of the beast that carries her, the beast with the seven heads and the ten horns. The beast that you saw existed once but now exists no longer. It will come up from the abyss and is headed for destruction.

NAB REV 20:1

Thousand Year Reign. Then I saw an angel come down from heaven, holding the key to the abyss and a huge chain in his hand. He seized the dragon, the ancient serpent, who is the devil or Satan, and chained him up for a thousand years. The angel hurled him into the abyss, which he closed and sealed over him. He did this so that the dragon might not lead the nations astray until the thousand years are over. After this, the dragon is to be released for a short time.

NAB REV 20:7

When the thousand years are completed, Satan will be released from his prison. He will go out to deceive the nations at the four corners of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them for battle; their number is like the sand of the sea. They invaded the breadth of the earth and surrounded the camp of the holy ones and the beloved city. But fire came down from heaven and consumed them. The Devil who had led them astray was thrown into the pool of fire and sulfur, where the beast and the false prophet were. There they will be tormented day and night forever and ever.
 
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