I've been away a bit, and going away again, but have time to respond at the moment.
i say i will always be a charismatic, becuase i do not have an issue being so bold as to say that you are not in the truth. im not trying to be rude, but this is me being honest...
Well, I understand, as I am as bold in saying the charismatic movement is not from God.
i know what God has already shown me, and if i am to always doubt that i wont be changed in the future, then how can i be sure about anything i believe from the bible? i know im in the truth, and i do not believe he has shown you truth. again, im not trying to be rude.
There is a difference. We can be certain that God exists. That is more certain to us than the Bible being the Word of God, which is more certain to us than God being a part of the reformation, which is more certain to us than knowing the charismatic movement is not from God. Discovering that the charismatic movement is not from God is nothing like discovering that God does not exist. You should be certain of what you believe - and being certain of it means being willing to test your beliefs to find out whether they are true. It does not mean blind adherence against evidence.
personally i dont know how it should be done, though i do believe you say things that are not neccesary in calling him things and shouting about it the way you seem to be doing.
Which things in particular?
"i do believe benny is wrong as it is clear to see, the Lords will be done, and if he is cast out then i pray Gods grace be with him and that he would oneday be restored. but it isnt between me and him, he hasnt wronged me but rather the Lord and i dont have a reason to be angry and fight. but rather i seek benny's full restoration and blessing and salvation."
This does help me see better where you are coming from. The problem is that the role you give to us is very passive, only involving prayer. The Scriptures give us a far more active and aggressive role. So I want to know how you fit those Scriptures with the above? The Scriptures tell us to actively cast such a person out of the church, while you propose that we passively do nothing but pray (though prayer is no small thing, actions are also required by Him). And you still haven't provided a proper answer for Paul's heated words that certain men should emasculate themselves, or Jesus' words "brood of vipers", or of Elijah's callous taunts, or John's words.
its just that it seems you want him cast out so badly and that you desire him to be and that you would not enjoy it if he found grace and was fully restored and was never cast out.
I do, desperately, want him cast out, I do not deny it. However, I would love more than any other option for him to fall under grace after he is cast out and be restored. You have made it clear that this is just your interpretation of my words, so I'm letting you know without anger that it is far from the truth.
i think your focusing on certain parts of scripture, but not the fullness of scripture. and it seems like your using things that God gave provision to do under certain circumstances, and what other imperfect men or prophets have done, as excuses to have your own way with benny.
I am NOT proposing we cast every person out of the church. What it sounds to me like you are saying here is that I'm taking something from the Scripture that was reserved for special circumstances, and applying it more liberally. To which I reply that I call for such treatment of only a few rare men, among which Benny Hinn is counted. Most men, especially those who love the Lord, will listen when held accountable. Benny Hinn does not. If you think I shouldn't be applying these Scriptures to Benny Hinn, please tell me why.
and it doesnt seem you like desire to see benny saved blessed and restored, as we should because God loves him too. it seems like you hate him.
If there is hate, then it is as much as Jesus hated the Scribes, Sadducees and Pharisees, as much as Elijah hated the prophets of Baal, and Paul hated those men he said he wished would emasculate themselves.
i just dont desire benny to be cast out, not that he should stay and destroy anything, but rather him be restored, and i think that should be the context of your coversation.
I think he should be cast out precisely so he can be restored. As long as we keep him in the church he has shown that he will not come to repentance.
i remember the prophet samuel. he said he considered it a sin, if he did not pray for his backslidden prodige king saul, even if he was backslidden and samuel told him he certainly was wrong, but samuel was still focused on an desired to see him restored.
and that doesnt seem to be your desire.
Could you find the Scripture reference please? I find your summary a little confusing. My desire is that Benny Hinn be cast out so that he may not steal money from God's people, so that he may not deceive them with another gospel, and so that he will repent and be saved.
