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Peace in Christ.

God …the Father of us all in Heaven….sent His Son….His ONLY begotten Son through whom we are saved.

John 3:16-18 KJV
(16) For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
(17) For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.
(18) He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.


It His only begotten Son (and not another “son” of the church “fathers”….a jesus barabbas) that we are to believe into so that we should not perish (mortally die) from this world but shall have an age-lasting life. “Barabbas” = “son of father”. They want us to choose their “jesus” the “son” of their church fathers.

Mat 27:16-17
(16) And they had then a notable prisoner, called Barabbas.
(17) Therefore when they were gathered together, Pilate said unto them, Whom will ye that I release unto you? (JESUS) Barabbas, or Jesus which is called Christ?


When we choose the Jesus who is the true Christ…believing into Him…we shall continue to live to the end of this age where then (at the last trump) this mortal (subject to die….meaning having not mortally died yet but liable to) shall put on immortality. We, who will not "sleep", will be changed...going from mortal to immortal.

1Co 15:51-55 KJV
(51) Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,
(52) In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.


We will then have completely defeated death in Him having not died mortally (we who believe into Him shall not “sleep”) throughout the remainder of this present evil age unto the moment….the “event horizon”…of the putting on of His immortality.

The last enemy to be defeated is death….and we shall have lived mortally until that moment when we achieve complete victory over death in Christ Jesus…the only begotten Son of the Father in Heaven. "Mortal"....subject to die mortal bodies....meaning we have not been put to "sleep"...that is, mortal death ...like those who have not received the true gospel of our mortal salvation.

(53) For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.
(54) So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory.
(55) O death, where is thy sting? O grave, where is thy victory?


Do not let a fleshly-minded man (who has no understanding of this true gospel of salvation) disqualify you from the receiving of His age-lasting (“eternal”) life in this earth.

He is throwing up a “road block” to obtaining the age-lasting life. He is putting up a stumbling stone where we ignorantly trip over and fall into the grave.

He seeks to “spoil” you through his church handwriting which is patterned after the “rudiments” (the founding principles) of the world. The outside world has their “handwritings” ….their documents (constitutions, statutes, ordinances ,etc) which they govern and judge themselves with rather than be in God’s government.

Col 2:8 KJV

(8) Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ.

They…puffed up fleshly-minded men… want you to receive and serve their another jesus who is served by church “handwriting of ordinances/dogmas”. They want to lead you into bondage….and death.

But their church scribes’ handwritings are against us. They are contrary to us. They prevent us from taking hold of “eternal life”…an age-lasting life to be had in this current mortal body. They put a complete stop to obtaining an age-lasting life. We miss the mark of obtaining the prize: an age-lasting life in this world. They beguile of our reward….an age-lasting life…of worshipping their messengers…their handwritings.

Col 2:18 KJV
(18) Let no man beguile you of your reward in a voluntary humility and worshipping of angels, intruding into those things which he hath not seen, vainly puffed up by his fleshly mind,

We perish with the using up of the doctrines and commandments of men which are only graven “images”. They are “shadows”…images.

Col 2:14-17 KJV
(14) Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;

(15) And having spoiled principalities and powers, he made a shew of them openly, triumphing over them in it.

Man wanting to be teachers of the Law come up with their own images of the Law through their church handwritings…and they JUDGE others with them. But they are “shadows”…images.

(16) Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:
(17) Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ.


A “graven image” is a church scribe’s handwriting of ordinances that is “set up”…a standing image…. in the churches of fleshly-minded men for them to serve and worship.

They use them to judge. We must get rid of these things and do God’s commandments instead and His commandments are written upon our hearts. The LORD is our “God” (Elohim)….that is, JUDGE…and not a church handwriting…..not another “god”…another judge. God and His commandments are our Judge…not a man’s handwriting.

Lev 26:1 KJV
(1) Ye shall make you no idols nor graven image, neither rear you up a standing image, neither shall ye set up any image of stone in your land, to bow down unto it: for I am the LORD your God.

Desiring to be teachers of the Law….they do not know what they say nor what they are affirming….making stable/rigid through their handwritings…their graven images.

1Ti 1:7-11 KJV
(7) Desiring to be teachers of the law; understanding neither what they say, nor whereof they affirm.
(8) But we know that the law is good, if a man use it lawfully;


The Law is good if it is used lawfully….for giving the knowledge of sin to those who are lawless and disobedient…..

(9) Knowing this, that the law is not made for a righteous man, but for the lawless and disobedient, for the ungodly and for sinners, for unholy and profane, for murderers of fathers and murderers of mothers, for manslayers,
(10) For whoremongers, for them that defile themselves with mankind, for menstealers, for liars, for perjured persons, and if there be any other thing that is contrary to sound doctrine;
(11) According to the glorious gospel of the blessed God, which was committed to my trust.


We use the Law lawfully by giving the knowledge of sin to the lawless: You shall have no other “gods”…that is, JUDGES…before Him. A church scribe’s handwriting of ordinances are being used to judge others with.

Exo 20:3-5 KJV
(3) Thou shalt have no other gods before me.

They are “graven images” that are patterned after the outside world’s documents (their constitutions, their statutes, etc). We must not copy them in these things. God’s commandments are written upon our hearts and not in the handwritings of man’s ordinances of which God did not write for us to serve and worship.

(4) Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth:
(5) Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the LORD thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me;
 

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1Co 15:51-55 KJV
(51) Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,
(52) In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.

Indeed some will sleep and others will still be alive at the end of the world.

Notice Paul's instruction regarding funeral services

1 Thess 4:13-18
13 But we do not want you to be uninformed, brothers and sisters, about those who are asleep, so that you will not grieve as indeed the rest of mankind do, who have no hope. 14 For if we believe that Jesus died and rose from the dead, so also God will bring with Him those who have fallen asleep through Jesus. 15 For we say this to you by the word of the Lord, that we who are alive and remain until the coming of the Lord will not precede those who have fallen asleep. 16 For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel and with the trumpet of God, and the dead in Christ will rise first. 17 Then we who are alive, who remain, will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air, and so we will always be with the Lord. 18 Therefore, comfort one another with these words.





The last enemy to be defeated is death….
Amen - as the Bible says "all die" 1 Cor 15:22
Heb 9 "it is appointed unto man once to die - and then comes the judgment"

Rom 5:12 Therefore, just as through one man sin entered into the world, and death through sin, and so death spread to all mankind, because all sinned— 13 for until the Law sin was in the world, but sin is not counted against anyone when there is no law. 14 Nevertheless death reigned from Adam until Moses, even over those who had not sinned in the likeness of the violation committed by Adam, who is a type of Him who was to come.
"Mortal"....subject to die mortal bodies....meaning we have not been put to "sleep"...that is, mortal death
indeed - all die
(53) For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.
(54) So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory.
(55) O death, where is thy sting? O grave, where is thy victory?
Amen - "then" at that day..

1 Cor 15:

51 Behold, I am telling you a mystery; we will not all sleep, but we will all be changed, 52 in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet; for the trumpet will sound, and the dead will be raised imperishable, and we will be changed. 53 For this perishable must put on the imperishable, and this mortal must put on immortality. 54 But when this perishable puts on the imperishable, and this mortal puts on immortality, then will come about the saying that is written: “Death has been swallowed up in victory. 55 Where, O Death, is your victory? Where, O Death, is your sting?”

Col 2:8 KJV
(8) Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ.

They…puffed up fleshly-minded men…
Amen - a lot of people "make stuff up" and Col 2 warns against following them - the Bible urges us to stick with the Word of God instead.

Christ died on the cross to save us from God's own penalty for sin
Rom 6 "The wages of sin is DEATH" - a rule set by God in Gen 2 and 3.

"But the free gift of God is eternal life". And only those who accept the gospel have it.

Co 2:
13 And when you were dead in your wrongdoings and the uncircumcision of your flesh, He made you alive together with Him, having forgiven us all our wrongdoings, 14 having canceled the certificate of debt consisting of decrees against us, which was hostile to us; and He has taken it out of the way, having nailed it to the cross.

God set that certificate of debt saying "the wages of sin is death" Rom 6. Christ paid our debt -- as it was determined by God -- on the cross.
 
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Exo 20:3-5 KJV
(3) Thou shalt have no other gods before me.
Amen -- "The saints KEEP the Commandments of God AND their faith in Jesus" Rev 14:12

(4) Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth:
(5) Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the LORD thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me;
We are free in Christ to quote that entire commandment -- not just part of it.

Ex 20:
4 “You shall not make for yourself an idol, or any likeness of what is in heaven above or on the earth beneath, or in the water under the earth. 5 You shall not worship them nor serve them; for I, the Lord your God, am a jealous God, inflicting the punishment of the fathers on the children, on the third and the fourth generations of those who hate Me, 6 but showing favor to thousands, to those who love Me and keep My commandments.

John 14:15 "if you Love Me - KEEP My Commandments"

Where as Paul says in Eph 6:2 "the first commandment WITH a promise - is Honor your father and mother" (Ex 20:12)
 
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1Co 15:51-55 KJV
(51) Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,
(52) In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.
A mystery is a secret, never before revealed to man.
"Sleep" refers to death.
At the second coming and resurrection of all the sheep and the goats, those who are still living on earth will not die mortally.
The dead will be raised, and then the raised saints along with saints still living on earth will be caught up (harpazo. raptured) to meet the Lord in the air and to return back to earth with him to assist in the Judgment.
 
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Peace in Christ.

God …the Father of us all in Heaven….sent His Son….His ONLY begotten Son through whom we are saved.

John 3:16-18 KJV
(16) For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
(17) For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.
(18) He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.


It His only begotten Son (and not another “son” of the church “fathers”….a jesus barabbas) that we are to believe into so that we should not perish (mortally die) from this world but shall have an age-lasting life. “Barabbas” = “son of father”. They want us to choose their “jesus” the “son” of their church fathers.

Mat 27:16-17
(16) And they had then a notable prisoner, called Barabbas.
(17) Therefore when they were gathered together, Pilate said unto them, Whom will ye that I release unto you? (JESUS) Barabbas, or Jesus which is called Christ?


When we choose the Jesus who is the true Christ…believing into Him…we shall continue to live to the end of this age where then (at the last trump) this mortal (subject to die….meaning having not mortally died yet but liable to) shall put on immortality. We, who will not "sleep", will be changed...going from mortal to immortal.

1Co 15:51-55 KJV
(51) Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,
(52) In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.


We will then have completely defeated death in Him having not died mortally (we who believe into Him shall not “sleep”) throughout the remainder of this present evil age unto the moment….the “event horizon”…of the putting on of His immortality.

The last enemy to be defeated is death….and we shall have lived mortally until that moment when we achieve complete victory over death in Christ Jesus…the only begotten Son of the Father in Heaven. "Mortal"....subject to die mortal bodies....meaning we have not been put to "sleep"...that is, mortal death ...like those who have not received the true gospel of our mortal salvation.

(53) For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.
(54) So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory.
(55) O death, where is thy sting? O grave, where is thy victory?


Do not let a fleshly-minded man (who has no understanding of this true gospel of salvation) disqualify you from the receiving of His age-lasting (“eternal”) life in this earth.

He is throwing up a “road block” to obtaining the age-lasting life. He is putting up a stumbling stone where we ignorantly trip over and fall into the grave.

He seeks to “spoil” you through his church handwriting which is patterned after the “rudiments” (the founding principles) of the world. The outside world has their “handwritings” ….their documents (constitutions, statutes, ordinances ,etc) which they govern and judge themselves with rather than be in God’s government.

Col 2:8 KJV
(8) Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ.

They…puffed up fleshly-minded men… want you to receive and serve their another jesus who is served by church “handwriting of ordinances/dogmas”. They want to lead you into bondage….and death.

But their church scribes’ handwritings are against us. They are contrary to us. They prevent us from taking hold of “eternal life”…an age-lasting life to be had in this current mortal body. They put a complete stop to obtaining an age-lasting life. We miss the mark of obtaining the prize: an age-lasting life in this world. They beguile of our reward….an age-lasting life…of worshipping their messengers…their handwritings.

Col 2:18 KJV
(18) Let no man beguile you of your reward in a voluntary humility and worshipping of angels, intruding into those things which he hath not seen, vainly puffed up by his fleshly mind,

We perish with the using up of the doctrines and commandments of men which are only graven “images”. They are “shadows”…images.

Col 2:14-17 KJV
(14) Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;

(15) And having spoiled principalities and powers, he made a shew of them openly, triumphing over them in it.

Man wanting to be teachers of the Law come up with their own images of the Law through their church handwritings…and they JUDGE others with them. But they are “shadows”…images.

(16) Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:
(17) Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ.


A “graven image” is a church scribe’s handwriting of ordinances that is “set up”…a standing image…. in the churches of fleshly-minded men for them to serve and worship.

They use them to judge. We must get rid of these things and do God’s commandments instead and His commandments are written upon our hearts. The LORD is our “God” (Elohim)….that is, JUDGE…and not a church handwriting…..not another “god”…another judge. God and His commandments are our Judge…not a man’s handwriting.

Lev 26:1 KJV
(1) Ye shall make you no idols nor graven image, neither rear you up a standing image, neither shall ye set up any image of stone in your land, to bow down unto it: for I am the LORD your God.

Desiring to be teachers of the Law….they do not know what they say nor what they are affirming….making stable/rigid through their handwritings…their graven images.

1Ti 1:7-11 KJV
(7) Desiring to be teachers of the law; understanding neither what they say, nor whereof they affirm.
(8) But we know that the law is good, if a man use it lawfully;


The Law is good if it is used lawfully….for giving the knowledge of sin to those who are lawless and disobedient…..

(9) Knowing this, that the law is not made for a righteous man, but for the lawless and disobedient, for the ungodly and for sinners, for unholy and profane, for murderers of fathers and murderers of mothers, for manslayers,
(10) For whoremongers, for them that defile themselves with mankind, for menstealers, for liars, for perjured persons, and if there be any other thing that is contrary to sound doctrine;
(11) According to the glorious gospel of the blessed God, which was committed to my trust.


We use the Law lawfully by giving the knowledge of sin to the lawless: You shall have no other “gods”…that is, JUDGES…before Him. A church scribe’s handwriting of ordinances are being used to judge others with.

Exo 20:3-5 KJV
(3) Thou shalt have no other gods before me.

They are “graven images” that are patterned after the outside world’s documents (their constitutions, their statutes, etc). We must not copy them in these things. God’s commandments are written upon our hearts and not in the handwritings of man’s ordinances of which God did not write for us to serve and worship.

(4) Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth:
(5) Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the LORD thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me;
The last enemy to be defeated is death….and we shall have lived mortally until that moment when we achieve complete victory over death in Christ Jesus…the only begotten Son of the Father in Heaven. "Mortal"....subject to die mortal bodies....meaning we have not been put to "sleep"...that is, mortal death ...like those who have not received the true gospel of our mortal salvation.

The Lord terms earthly death as a sleep because one day everybody will be resurrected. The 1st death (earthly death) is temporal the 2nd death (of the lost) is death (non-extant) for eternity.

We are mortal (which means subject to death) ... we are not immortal in any way ... and won't be until the Lord returns.

Life is life ... death is death ... no reason to be confused about it.

So yes .... earthly death is a dormant sleep (it's not the full end) until resurrection.
 
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The Lord terms earthly death as a sleep because one day everybody will be resurrected. The 1st death (earthly death) is temporal the 2nd death (of the lost) is death (non-extant) for eternity.

We are mortal (which means subject to death) ... we are not immortal in any way
Our spirits are immortal (2 Co 5:1, ff. 2-9).
 
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The doctrine of the immortal soul cannot be found in scripture.

There is no scripture in the bible that teaches human beings possess immortality apart from Christ.

Immortally thought is from the original lie of the devil (you will not surely die-contrary to What God said)

Immortal "soul" belief did not originate from the scriptures, but rather entered Judeo-Christian thought through contact with pagan Greek philosophy . The bible teaches that God alone has immortality (1 Timothy 6:16) and He offers it to people only through the gospel: “… Christ Jesus, who has destroyed death and has brought life and immortality to light through the gospel” (2 Timothy 1:10).

To be absent from the body and present with the Lord. He said He would RATHER be absent from the body and present with the Lord. All of us would.

Job recognizes that man has a spirit (Job 32:8), which the apostle Paul shows in I Corinthians 2:11 endows humanity with intellect. This spirit in man comes from God (Zechariah 12:1) and returns to Him upon death (Ecclesiastes 12:7; Acts 7:59). It records an individual's life, character, and personality, which God stores until the resurrection of the dead. However, the Bible never describes this spirit as immortal or eternal; in fact, I Corinthians 2:6-16 explains that man needs yet another Spirit, God's, to be complete and to discern godly things. According to Ecclesiastes 3:21, animals also have a spirit, “which goes down to the earth,” suggesting that it ceases to exist at the animal's death.
Richard T. Ritenbaugh

More scriptural references here ...


https://www.bibletools.org/index.cf.../RTD/cgg/ID/14425/Immortality-as-Gift-God.htm

Immortality is the gift from God and we don't receive it until He returns.
 
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The doctrine of the immortal soul cannot be found in scripture.
Please exegete 2 Co 5:1-9, being true to its words and in agreement with its context and all the NT.
To be absent from the body and present with the Lord. He said He would RATHER be absent from the body and present with the Lord. All of us would.
What is present with the Lord at human death when both body and spirit are dead?
 
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