Are these considered bad morals?

[contango]

Jesus told the adulteress to sin no more and pointed out to the woman at the well that she had been with more than one man.

As I said before, any balanced presentation of the gospel must be centered on the cross, which necessarily involves a conviction of sin.

Why would we care enough to protect a persons liver or reduce their chances of contracting std,s when these are only symptoms of the real disease, which is sin. Should we not care more for their eternal souls?

Churches that present an unbalanced presentation of the gospel that removes the offense of the cross are loving their congregations straight to hell.

Of course we should care, but telling someone that their lifestyle is sinful because the Bible says so is pointless when that person does not accept the Bible as carrying any more significance than Moby Dick. How does trying to impose our moral standards upon someone else help us or them? Look at how Jesus treated the rich man who didn't want to sell his possessions and give the money to the poor. He didn't run after the man to force the issue, he didn't campaign for more taxes to force him to pay "his fair share", he just let him go.

Jesus told the adulteress to sin no more but also said "neither do I condemn you". It's easy to get up on our high horse and scream "SINNER" at someone, whether verbally or through the way we treat them. It just doesn't seem a very effective way of reaching out to people - I don't imagine Westboro Baptist Church have seen very many homosexuals repenting as a result of their "God Hates [bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse]" signs.

 

[mathetes123]

Of course we should care, but telling someone that their lifestyle is sinful because the Bible says so is pointless when that person does not accept the Bible as carrying any more significance than Moby Dick. How does trying to impose our moral standards upon someone else help us or them? Look at how Jesus treated the rich man who didn't want to sell his possessions and give the money to the poor. He didn't run after the man to force the issue, he didn't campaign for more taxes to force him to pay "his fair share", he just let him go.

Jesus told the adulteress to sin no more but also said "neither do I condemn you". It's easy to get up on our high horse and scream "SINNER" at someone, whether verbally or through the way we treat them. It just doesn't seem a very effective way of reaching out to people - I don't imagine Westboro Baptist Church have seen very many homosexuals repenting as a result of their "God Hates [bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse]" signs.

So are you arguing for removing the offense of the cross from the gospel presentation?

No one said you should take the approach of the Westbrook baptist church. We should tell the truth, including the offense of the cross, in love.

 

[Cuddles333]

Are these considered bad morals?

Would this be considered bad morals in a person? For example..

A woman who sleeps around with strange men, wears degrading clothing doesn't respect herself, and gets heavily intoxicated everyday up the point where she blacks out and doesn't remember where she ends up.

Would she be considered to be immoral?

In our society, in the 1950s and on back, those would have been considered bad morals. From the 1960s and on up to today, they are not . Today, spouse, child and animal abuse, corporate and political corruption, censorship, etc, are considered bad morals.

 

[mathetes123]

Are these considered bad morals?

In our society, in the 1950s and on back, those would have been considered bad morals. From the 1960s and on up to today, they are not . Today, spouse, child and animal abuse, corporate and political corruption, censorship, etc, are considered bad morals.

So are morals what a majority say they are or are they transcendent? If they are what the majority says, why do you support gay marriage when the votes in the majority of states clearly show support for traditional marriage?

 

[Cuddles333]

So are morals what a majority say they are or are they transcendent? If they are what the majority says, why do you support gay marriage when the votes in the majority of states clearly show support for traditional marriage?

Well, if you lived in the 1800s do you think it would have been a bad moral for a woman to wear her dress high enough for everyone to see her ankle?

 

[mathetes123]

Well, if you lived in the 1800s do you think it would have been a bad moral for a woman to wear her dress high enough for everyone to see her ankle?

So are you confirming that you believe in morality by majority vote?

 

[dysert]

Apples and oranges. The word counseling suggests a moral deficiency which must be corrected.

That's so totally not the case! You might get counseling for things not at all related to a moral deficiency.

 

[mathetes123]

That's so totally not the case! You might get counseling for things not at all related to a moral deficiency.

Like what?

 

[rturner76]

Like what?

Oh oh I know.....Depression?

 

[dysert]

That's so totally not the case! You might get counseling for things not at all related to a moral deficiency.

Like what?

Oh oh I know.....Depression?

Depression is a great example. There's also PTSD, OCD, any phobia, et al. No point in going all through the DSM. I presume you can see that there are a myriad of reasons why someone would undergo counseling not related to moral deficiency.

 

[Cuddles333]

Well, if you lived in the 1800s do you think it would have been a bad moral for a woman to wear her dress high enough for everyone to see her ankle?

So are you confirming that you believe in morality by majority vote?

Well, which was the 'transcendent' moral? The woman keeping her dress length (below) or (above) her ankle?

 

[contango]

So are you confirming that you believe in morality by majority vote?

Depends what you mean by "morality" I guess.

The morality of society moves with the times. Go back a few years and it was considered not only perfectly acceptable but perfectly normal for places to eat to have prominent "No Blacks" signs in the window. In the UK it was common for landlords to have three simple rules - "No Irish, no blacks, no dogs". We don't think like that any more - our morality has moved on to a point that we (at least most of us) don't consider people to be inferior based on their country of origin. I know there are a few out there but they are the minority rather than the mainstream view.

One generation ago the thought of a couple living together before they were married was cause for great concern, much frowning and public disapproval. Now it's all but expected.

What is right and wrong in God's eyes doesn't change, but what society considers "morally acceptable" most definitely does.

 

[mathetes123]

Depends what you mean by "morality" I guess.

The morality of society moves with the times. Go back a few years and it was considered not only perfectly acceptable but perfectly normal for places to eat to have prominent "No Blacks" signs in the window. In the UK it was common for landlords to have three simple rules - "No Irish, no blacks, no dogs". We don't think like that any more - our morality has moved on to a point that we (at least most of us) don't consider people to be inferior based on their country of origin. I know there are a few out there but they are the minority rather than the mainstream view.

One generation ago the thought of a couple living together before they were married was cause for great concern, much frowning and public disapproval. Now it's all but expected.

What is right and wrong in God's eyes doesn't change, but what society considers "morally acceptable" most definitely does.

Shouldn't we live by God's standard rather than man's?

 

[mpok1519]

By "we", do you mean, "people"?

If so, many people have different ideas as to what God is.

 

[mathetes123]

By "we", do you mean, "people"?

If so, many people have different ideas as to what God is.

Our obligations toward God does not change with what we believe about God.

 

[Illuminaughty]

Guidance Implies making choices between good and bad choices? If there are no moral distinctions, what would be the purpose of the counseling?

It would depend on the reason the person is seeking counseling. They might desire to have a life that isn't as preoccupied with sadness and depression for example. For that person the subjective state of contentment or tranquility might be sought. The counselor thinks he or she can help so they give it a try. The "good" and "bad" are based purely on the outcome desired by the patient.

 

[TheyCallMeDave]

Would this be considered bad morals in a person? For example..

A woman who sleeps around with strange men, wears degrading clothing doesn't respect herself, and gets heavily intoxicated everyday up the point where she blacks out and doesn't remember where she ends up.

Would she be considered to be immoral?

If you want to know OBJECTIVELY if she is IMMORAL, then the answer is yes. If you want to look at it subjectively ... that is.... morals based on Mans wishy washiness ,im sure youll find some that say there isnt anything wrong with this behavior.

It all depends what STANDARD you want to go by : Gods own standard based on HIS character/nature/and Person or, Mans standard which doesnt care about Gods standards and views it from what MAN can get from such an immoral woman . IE: free casual sex by taking advantage of her lack of good morals.

Make sense now ????

 

[Dave Ellis]

I wouldn't call it immoral, but I would say she's living a poor life and could probably use a lot of help.

 

[mpok1519]

Our obligations toward God does not change with what we believe about God.

Believe it or not, the world has many beliefs. Diversity is not a bad thing.

 

[Tnmusicman]

Believe it or not, the world has many beliefs. Diversity is not a bad thing.

Hebrews 13:8
New International Version (NIV)
8Jesus Christ is the same yesterday and today and forever.

God isn't "diverse" when it comes to morality ( at least according to Scripture ).