Are Allah and Yaweh the same God?

Are Allah and Yaweh the same God?

  • Yes they are

  • No, They aren't

  • They are similar, but not the same


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LittleLambofJesus

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An example test:
In the Qu'ran. they swear by the stars, moon, sun, signs of the Zodiac etc. Celestial objects basically. and example can be found in Qu'ran 85:1

In Christianity and Judaism, in the Torah and New Testament.....you find no swearing of such things.

Another difference is this: Qu'ran 51:56 "I've created Jin [demons] and men only to worship Me. I do not want anything from them"

Now in the Torah and NT you find nowhere that God created Demons..Rather, the angels chose evil and fell.
Also, the God in Christianity/Judaism you don't find God saying that He dosen't want anything from them. He wants a relationship with us.

Exactly why would God swear by a lesser thing?

Correct, God of the Bible swears by himself.
Genesis 22:16 And said, By myself have I sworn, saith the Lord, for because thou hast done this thing, and hast not withheld thy son, thine only son:

I always wonder why God would fake the crucifixion of Christ. Why torment all Jesus' followers and mother thinking it was Christ on the cross and not someone who just looks like Christ? Why allow Jesus' follower to carry who they thought was his body and place him in the tomb? Then 3 days later walk around - actually fulfilling a prophecy that Jesus made? Solidifying the faith of believers?

It is the dumbest thing I have ever heard and read!!

What seals [ha,ha, pun]the deal for me are all the ridiculous tests of prophet-hood - Khajda's test, the mole on Mohammad's back being the seal.
 
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Does this need to be reported for Thread-Hijack?

Only if you so desire.

If you were to read more carefully what I posted, read the Quran, compare it to the Bible you would see what this man is saying. Helping prove that allah of the Quran is not the God of the Bible.

A bit of history - Khalid bin Walid(ra) beheaded 70,000 Persian prisoners of war after the battle of Ullias

A bit of Islamic religious truth - its 100% Islaam

A warning about munafiq [hypocrites] - in case a munafiq says it isn't.
 
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simplegifs, how many people did Joshua kill, as per the Bible?
How many Midianites were butchered by Moses and the Israelites, as per the Bible?


It's true that in general, Islam *is* considerably more belligerent than Christianity (although the scriptural ideal of non-violence has never really been embraced by Christianity at any point in history, the present day included). But the Bible is decidedly NOT a book that shows believers tolerating and living side by side with unbelievers. It's full of butchery, bloodshed and genocide in the name of the One God and his need to make sure that nobody dares to become apostate.
 
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simplegifs, how many people did Joshua kill, as per the Bible?
How many Midianites were butchered by Moses and the Israelites, as per the Bible?


It's true that in general, Islam *is* considerably more belligerent than Christianity (although the scriptural ideal of non-violence has never really been embraced by Christianity at any point in history, the present day included). But the Bible is decidedly NOT a book that shows believers tolerating and living side by side with unbelievers. It's full of butchery, bloodshed and genocide in the name of the One God and his need to make sure that nobody dares to become apostate.

Really you should read why God of the Bible decided these people should be destroyed. Specific orders for a specific time for a specific people who were doing horrific things.

Allah has ordered fighting killing subduing for all times against all non-believer. Allah doesn't care if the person is a good atheist or pagan - cut off their heads.

There is a thread of hope from God through the Bible that people will turn to him and or be righteous. He allows time for them to turn to him. Not so with allah - cut off their heads.

Yes, there have been very bad Christians throughout history but they were not following orders from Jesus.

Concerning after the Day of Judgement both Quran and Bible are equal in terms of violence. If you are a pagan, atheist or whatever, why would it concern you? It is the activity preached to believers during your life that should concern all.
 
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Allah has ordered fighting killing subduing for all times against all non-believer. Allah doesn't care if the person is a good atheist or pagan - cut off their heads.

If you can find a verse where he orders such a thing outside of the context of a specific war that he was fighting at the time, then you should share it with us.
 
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(although the scriptural ideal of non-violence has never really been embraced by Christianity at any point in history, the present day included)

while by and large that is true, but there are beacons of light out there that try and uphold the Lord's commands to avoid violence (both personally and politically). Christian Anarchists, Quakers, some Anabaptists and Mennonites, etc.
 
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When looking at the question of if Yahweh and Allah are the same God, I look towards those who are actually experiencing God in their spiritual life to see what they see. I'm firmly convinced that looking at the killings and horror that the people do in the name of God is not the same thing as looking at God. That's the wrong way to go about it if one wishes to explore the universality of God.

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Looking *only* at the ideals as presented on the paper, I'd say that Christianity is an idealist world view, while Islam is a pragmatist world view - with all the attendant positive and negative side-effects in either case.

Just out of curiosity, how would you categorize Judaism for comparison?
 
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If you can find a verse where he orders such a thing outside of the context of a specific war that he was fighting at the time, then you should share it with us.

Chapter 9 starts out to be seemingly specific but notice the words Fight..until

009.029 Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued.

Easily becomes a command for today. All non-Muslims have not been subdued.

Chapter 5 is about things forbidden for the Muslim then jumps to what to do about the non-Muslim.
005.032 On that account: We ordained for the Children of Israel that if any one slew a person - unless it be for murder or for spreading mischief in the land - it would be as if he slew the whole people: and if any one saved a life, it would be as if he saved the life of the whole people. Then although there came to them Our messengers with clear signs, yet, even after that, many of them continued to commit excesses in the land.
005.033 The punishment of those who wage war against Allah and His Messenger, and strive with might and main for mischief through the land is: execution, or crucifixion, or the cutting off of hands and feet from opposite sides, or exile from the land: that is their disgrace in this world, and a heavy punishment is theirs in the Hereafter;

Quran Tafsir Ibn Kathir:
Quran Tafsir Ibn Kathir - The Punishment of those Who Cause Mischief in the Land
"Wage war' mentioned here means, oppose and contradict, and it includes disbelief, blocking roads and spreading fear in the fairways. Mischief in the land refers to various types of evil."

Here is another difference - Allah of the Quran is much more focused on those who are not Muslims, the evils of the other person, the non Muslim. The God of the Bible is more concerned with you straightening out yourself.

Center For The Study Of Political Islam
 
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Looking *only* at the ideals as presented on the paper, I'd say that Christianity is an idealist world view, while Islam is a pragmatist world view - with all the attendant positive and negative side-effects in either case.
Originally Posted by BaconWizard
Just out of curiosity, how would you categorize Judaism for comparison?
Obviously pragmatic, especially since the rise of Rabbinical Judaism after the destruction of the Temple.
Which fulfilled many prophecies from both the Hebrew OT and Christian NT.

One would be hard pressed to even believe a temple ever existed in the first century, since the Romans completely leveled/obliterated it.

Luke 19:
41 And as He nears, beholding the City and He laments on Her
42 saying "that if thou-knew, and thou, even indeed in the day, this, the toward Peace of thee, now yet it was hid from Thy eyes.
43 That shall be arriving days upon Thee
and Thy Enemies shall be casting up a siege-work to Thee and shall be encompassing Thee and pressing Thee every which place. [Jeremiah 52:4]

The Destruction of Jerusalem - George Peter Holford, 1805AD

"I consider the Prophecy relative to the destruction of the Jewish nation,
if there were nothing else to support Christianity, as absolutely irresistible."
(Mr. Erskine's Speech, at the Trial of Williams, for publishing Paine's Age of Reason)​


The day on which Titus encompassed Jerusalem, was the feast of the Passover ; and it is deserving of the very particular attention of the reader, that this was the anniversary of that memorable period in which the Jews crucified their Messiah! At this season multitudes came up from all the surrounding country, and from distant parts, to keep the festival........

The Temple now presented little more than a heap of ruins ; and the Roman army as in triumph on the event, came and reared their ensigns against a fragment of the eastern gate, and, with sacrifices of thanksgiving, proclaimed the imperial majesty of Titus, with every possible demonstration of joy....................

Concerning the Temple, our LORD had foretold, particularly, that, notwithstanding their wonderful dimensions, there should "not be left one stone upon another that should not be thrown down ;" and, accordingly, it is recorded, in the Talmud, and by Maimonides, that Terentius Rufus, captain of the army of Titus, absolutely ploughed up the foundations of the Temple with a ploughshare. Now, also, was literally fulfilled that prophecy of Micah- "Therefore shall Zion, for your sakes (i. e. for your wickedness,) be ploughed as a field, and Jerusalem shall become heaps, and the mountain of the LORD's house as the high places of the forest." (Micah iii. 12)

In executing the command of Titus, relative to the demolition of Jerusalem, the Roman soldiers not only threw down the buildings, but even dug up their foundations, and so completely levelled the whole circuit of the city, that a stranger would scarcely have known that it had ever been inhabited by human beings.

Thus was this great City, which only five months before, had been crowded with nearly two millions of people, who gloried in its impregnable strength, entirely depopulated, and levelled with the ground. And thus, also was our LORD'S prediction, that her enemies should "lay her even with the ground," and "should not leave in her one stone upon another, " (Luke xix. 44.) most strikingly and fully accomplished ! --

This fact is confirmed by Eusebius, who asserts that he himself saw the city lying in ruins ; and Josephus introduces Eleazer as exclaiming "Where is our great city, which, it was believed, GOD inhabited ? It is altogether rooted and torn up from its foundations ; and the only monument of it that remains, is the camp of its destroyers pitched amidst its reliques !"


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Chapter 9 starts out to be seemingly specific but notice the words Fight..until

009.029 Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued.

Easily becomes a command for today. All non-Muslims have not been subdued.

Chapter 5 is about things forbidden for the Muslim then jumps to what to do about the non-Muslim.
005.032 On that account: We ordained for the Children of Israel that if any one slew a person - unless it be for murder or for spreading mischief in the land - it would be as if he slew the whole people: and if any one saved a life, it would be as if he saved the life of the whole people. Then although there came to them Our messengers with clear signs, yet, even after that, many of them continued to commit excesses in the land.
005.033 The punishment of those who wage war against Allah and His Messenger, and strive with might and main for mischief through the land is: execution, or crucifixion, or the cutting off of hands and feet from opposite sides, or exile from the land: that is their disgrace in this world, and a heavy punishment is theirs in the Hereafter;

Quran Tafsir Ibn Kathir:
Quran Tafsir Ibn Kathir - The Punishment of those Who Cause Mischief in the Land
"Wage war' mentioned here means, oppose and contradict, and it includes disbelief, blocking roads and spreading fear in the fairways. Mischief in the land refers to various types of evil."

Here is another difference - Allah of the Quran is much more focused on those who are not Muslims, the evils of the other person, the non Muslim. The God of the Bible is more concerned with you straightening out yourself.

Center For The Study Of Political Islam

You are quoting out of context.
 
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