KerrMetric said:As 'valid' as a Nigerian scam email.
More valid than Protsch's "scientific data"
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KerrMetric said:As 'valid' as a Nigerian scam email.
Lion of God said:More valid than Protsch's "scientific data"
KerrMetric said:At least an invalid and my guess is that Protsch didn't fabricate everything in his career.
Lion of God said:Seems to be a whole lotta' guessing going on around here, so you are in good company.
Lion of God said:More valid than Protsch's "scientific data"
Lion of God said:The Universe may be 14B years old but that doesn't negate Usshers timeline for this present biological creation.
rmwilliamsll said:now the issue is if miracles issue invoices.
if a YECist 6K years ago creation is invoiced by Gen 1.
that is an interesting idea and is answered "of course" by YECists and others who would address specific scientific and historical questions to Genesis, such as "how old is the earth?"
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oldwiseguy said:Buried deeply (couched in the language of sciencespeak) in the secular history of earth are the necessary 'miracle invoices'.
gluadys said:Biological evidence does negate Ussher's timeline. Biological evidence places the origin of our species at least 140,000 years in the past. Biological evidence places the origin of our genus at least 2 million years in the past. Biological evidence ties us to a common ancestor we share with chimpanzees that lived at least 7 million years in the past.
oldwiseguy said:Buried deeply (couched in the language of sciencespeak) in the secular history of earth are the necessary 'miracle invoices'.
KerrMetric said:Aha, American anti-intellectualism at its finest.
oldwiseguy said:I read a lot of science stuff (thanks to this and other threads) and am struck by the frequency of the need for a miracle every now and then in order for evolution to continue.
oldwiseguy said:Maybe that's the reason for the flood; to rid the earth of those ape-men. God seemed to be concerned with genealogy.
oldwiseguy said:Kerr, I believe you just blinked! AHA!
I read a lot of science stuff (thanks to this and other threads) and am struck by the need for a miracle every now and then in order for evolution to continue.
oldwiseguy said:Maybe that's the reason for the flood; to rid the earth of those ape-men. God seemed to be concerned with genealogy.
rmwilliamsll said:you are constantly confusing the levels of the discussion.
the question of if miracles issue invoices is a metaphysical question, not a scientific one.
the language is that of analogy, like the label on a bottle of wine, like the invoice accompanying an item specifying its date and place of manufacturer. the language is one of convenience and communicability, not one particular to science.
KerrMetric said:You are mistaking miracle need for your lack of comprehension. Getting science from threads on here or CNN reports is not a likely to engender an understanding beyond the rudimentary. You have amply exhibited this by your simplistic physics arguments with respect to celestial mechanics on here.
here is the idea:
the context is the water into wine miracle at the wedding in Canaan.
the wine was not accompanied by an invoice from Gallo stating it's origin, age and wine type. it was UNLABELLED, uninvoiced.
Creation on the other hand is invoiced, it contains literally millions of little dated invoices that say: this process is historical and can be dated to X. or this tree has been here in this place and growing for 4K years.
oldwiseguy said:Read my response below to rmwilliamsll.
Regards my celestial physics: I offered no phsyics, you did. I presented a theory. You implied that it was impossible. Neither of us has proven a thing.