Anyone notice that many people are scientifically illiterate

[BNR32FAN]

Even when they condition their answer as provisional and are willing to change it when they find they were wrong? To me, that seems a testimony to their credibility.

Touché, perhaps I should’ve chosen a better word like accuracy. I wasn’t referring to their credibility in reference to their integrity but instead their credibility as being accurate.

 

[BCP1928]

Why

I have no idea, but you insist on it with vehemence. I have never understood why anyone would insist on the literal inerrancy of Genesis.

 

[BNR32FAN]

I have no idea, but you insist on it with vehemence. I have never understood why anyone would insist on the literal inerrancy of Genesis.

See, it’s called a forum where people come to discuss different topics. The way it works is you present your argument and I present mine and we discuss and debate the topic. That’s how discussions work. Are you implying that I’m not permitted to present my side of the discussion?

 

[BNR32FAN]

I have no idea, but you insist on it with vehemence. I have never understood why anyone would insist on the literal inerrancy of Genesis.

Because Genesis 1 and 2 can ONLY come from one of two sources. They either came from God who was the ONLY One there to witness it, or it came from man’s imagination which would mean it has no place in the Bible. Which do you think it came from?

 

[BNR32FAN]

Man I swear I can always spot a libertarian just by their arguments.

 

[sfs]

Because Genesis 1 and 2 can ONLY come from one of two sources. They either came from God who was the ONLY One there to witness it, or it came from man’s imagination which would mean it has no place in the Bible. Which do you think it came from?

Or they came from man's imagination as prompted by God. Or they came from theological insights from God expressed by human authors in their own culturally appropriate idiom. Or they came directly from God but were later extensively modified by editors. Or they came from Satan. Or Genesis 1 and Genesis 2 came from different gods.

 

[AV1611VET]

Or Genesis 1 and Genesis 2 came from different gods.

Why then did Jesus quote from both Genesis 1 and Genesis 2 as authoritative Scripture?

Matthew 19:3 ¶ The Pharisees also came unto him, tempting him, and saying unto him, Is it lawful for a man to put away his wife for every cause?
4 And he answered and said unto them, Have ye not read, that he which made them at the beginning made them male and female,
5 And said, For this cause shall a man leave father and mother, and shall cleave to his wife: and they twain shall be one flesh?
6 Wherefore they are no more twain, but one flesh. What therefore God hath joined together, let not man put asunder.

Genesis 1:27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.

Genesis 2:24 Therefore shall a man leave his father and his mother, and shall cleave unto his wife: and they shall be one flesh.

 

[BNR32FAN]

Or they came from man's imagination as prompted by God. Or they came from theological insights from God expressed by human authors in their own culturally appropriate idiom. Or they came directly from God but were later extensively modified by editors. Or they came from Satan. Or Genesis 1 and Genesis 2 came from different gods.

Imagination prompted by God is a vision which is from God.

Theological insights from God is again from God and God has never once chosen someone to deliver a message who failed to deliver it exactly how He intended.

The Mitzvah, a commandment given in Moses’ time, was a commandment that all Jews have to write a Torah of their own which consists of the books Moses wrote. So your talking about altering something that has been written millions of times by Jews for the last 3,500 years that would be punishable by death and hoping that nobody noticed?

satan told Moses to write Genesis? Moses the prophet who had two way conversations directly with God on almost a daily basis for several decades?

If you know anything about the Bible then you know there are no other gods.

 

[BCP1928]

See, it’s called a forum where people come to discuss different topics. The way it works is you present your argument and I present mine and we discuss and debate the topic. That’s how discussions work. Are you implying that I’m not permitted to present my side of the discussion?

You haven't until now. That's why I had to speculate.

 

[BCP1928]

Why then did Jesus quote from both Genesis 1 and Genesis 2 as authoritative Scripture?

Matthew 19:3 ¶ The Pharisees also came unto him, tempting him, and saying unto him, Is it lawful for a man to put away his wife for every cause?
4 And he answered and said unto them, Have ye not read, that he which made them at the beginning made them male and female,
5 And said, For this cause shall a man leave father and mother, and shall cleave to his wife: and they twain shall be one flesh?
6 Wherefore they are no more twain, but one flesh. What therefore God hath joined together, let not man put asunder.

Genesis 1:27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.

Genesis 2:24 Therefore shall a man leave his father and his mother, and shall cleave unto his wife: and they shall be one flesh.

Authoritative is not the same as literal and inerrant.

 

[BCP1928]

Because Genesis 1 and 2 can ONLY come from one of two sources. They either came from God who was the ONLY One there to witness it, or it came from man’s imagination which would mean it has no place in the Bible. Which do you think it came from?

Both, but that still doesn't answer the question.

 

[BNR32FAN]

You haven't until now. That's why I had to speculate.

Speculation and accusation are two different things. If I suspect someone is teaching falsely I would ask them before accusing them.

 

[BNR32FAN]

Why then did Jesus quote from both Genesis 1 and Genesis 2 as authoritative Scripture?

Matthew 19:3 ¶ The Pharisees also came unto him, tempting him, and saying unto him, Is it lawful for a man to put away his wife for every cause?
4 And he answered and said unto them, Have ye not read, that he which made them at the beginning made them male and female,
5 And said, For this cause shall a man leave father and mother, and shall cleave to his wife: and they twain shall be one flesh?
6 Wherefore they are no more twain, but one flesh. What therefore God hath joined together, let not man put asunder.

Genesis 1:27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.

Genesis 2:24 Therefore shall a man leave his father and his mother, and shall cleave unto his wife: and they shall be one flesh.

That’s a far better answer than what I gave.

 

[BNR32FAN]

Both, but that still doesn't answer the question.

Can you elaborate please?

 

[BNR32FAN]

Authoritative is not the same as literal and inerrant.

Why do you choose to think the scriptures are wrong instead of scientists?

 

[AV1611VET]

Authoritative is not the same as literal and inerrant.

Fair enough.

The Bible is all three then: authoritative, literal, and inerrant.

 

[sfs]

Why then did Jesus quote from both Genesis 1 and Genesis 2 as authoritative Scripture?

You don't seem to have understood the answer. Remember, the question was about possibilities, not about what anyone in particular believes.

 

[sfs]

Imagination prompted by God is a vision which is from God.

Which is from God but which is expressed through their human imagination, i.e both of your possibilities are true, even though you posed them as mutually exclusive.

Theological insights from God is again from God and God has never once chosen someone to deliver a message who failed to deliver it exactly how He intended.

The first part entails the same issue as above, while the second part is something that you invented and that I really doubt you believe. You do believe that preachers are chosen by God to deliver his message, right? And do you also believe that every preacher delivers God's message without any errors, every time?

The Mitzvah, a commandment given in Moses’ time, was a commandment that all Jews have to write a Torah of their own which consists of the books Moses wrote. So your talking about altering something that has been written millions of times by Jews for the last 3,500 years that would be punishable by death and hoping that nobody noticed?

Sorry, I'm talking about the real history of the Bible, not the imaginary one promulgated by fundamentalists.

satan told Moses to write Genesis?

Uh, Moses didn't write Genesis.

If you know anything about the Bible then you know there are no other gods.

You really should spend some time learning more about the Bible

 

[BNR32FAN]

Which is from God but which is expressed through their human imagination, i.e both of your possibilities are true, even though you posed them as mutually exclusive.

The source is not their imagination, the source is God giving them a revelation.

 

[BNR32FAN]

The first part entails the same issue as above, while the second part is something that you invented and that I really doubt you believe. You do believe that preachers are chosen by God to deliver his message, right? And do you also believe that every preacher delivers God's message without any errors, every time?

No I do not believe preachers are chosen by God. I think people choose to become preachers.