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<blockquote data-quote="firstpetertwonine" data-source="post: 61128230" data-attributes="member: 306275"><p>Greetings Abdullah, peace be with you. </p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p><img src="/styles/default/xenforo/smilies/old/amen.gif" class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":amen:" title="Amen :amen:" data-shortname=":amen:" /> May the one true God of Abraham bless you for your charitable attitude, sir. May we all return the favor!</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>I do short and sweet pretty well. <img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite1" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":)" /> Cause I'm too lazy to type a lot haha.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>It's worth pointing out that not all Christians actually believe Satan is Lucifer fallen; some believe that story is just a myth. (I'm not necessarily saying I am or am not one of those people; just throwing it out there...) That said, I don't know what Islam teaches regarding angels but Christian belief allows for the notion that angels are not robotically controlled by God; they are individuals with free choice. Therefore even though God created them perfect, they have the choice to choose evil, just like Man. </p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>I will admit I don't know of one conclusive biblical answer explaining why God couldn't just "snap his fingers" and pronounce humanity forgiven after the Fall; I can only say that if I believe the New Testament is true then I have no choice but to accept that God says it has to happen this way, for reasons known to him. </p><p></p><p>The best answer I could attempt is to say that God is just, and even an omnipotent being can choose to follow his own rules if he so chooses. Once he establishes unbreakable rules of justice at the beginning of the world, which he himself chooses to follow, including the rule that justice must be served when the Law is broken, then he must receive satisfaction/justice for sin before it can be forgiven.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>I don't claim to know exactly <em>why</em> God is a Trinity, but again as with the last answer, if I believe the NT is God's Word and that it teaches the doctrine, I must accept it. And I can't come away from the NT without agreeing with the orthodox Christian teaching, that the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit are not the same divine persons, and yet they are all equally given credit as being divine. If the Son and the Spirit are equal to the Father in divinity, they are worthy of worship.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Scripture refers to him both as God (John 1:1) and as the Son of God (John 1:18). The orthodox Christian teaching (formulated at the Council of Nicea) is that the Father, Son and Holy Spirit are three separate persons yet share the same divine nature. So Jesus is God in the sense that he shares the Father's nature; he is the Son of God in the sense that he's not the same person as the Father. Also, orthodoxy taught at the Council of Chalcedon that he was both divine and human; he had a fully divine nature as well as a fully human nature.</p><p></p><p>Okay so my answers weren't as short as I planned. <img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite8" alt=":D" title="Big Grin :D" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":D" /> But I hope they were informative! Peace</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="firstpetertwonine, post: 61128230, member: 306275"] Greetings Abdullah, peace be with you. :amen: May the one true God of Abraham bless you for your charitable attitude, sir. May we all return the favor! I do short and sweet pretty well. :) Cause I'm too lazy to type a lot haha. It's worth pointing out that not all Christians actually believe Satan is Lucifer fallen; some believe that story is just a myth. (I'm not necessarily saying I am or am not one of those people; just throwing it out there...) That said, I don't know what Islam teaches regarding angels but Christian belief allows for the notion that angels are not robotically controlled by God; they are individuals with free choice. Therefore even though God created them perfect, they have the choice to choose evil, just like Man. I will admit I don't know of one conclusive biblical answer explaining why God couldn't just "snap his fingers" and pronounce humanity forgiven after the Fall; I can only say that if I believe the New Testament is true then I have no choice but to accept that God says it has to happen this way, for reasons known to him. The best answer I could attempt is to say that God is just, and even an omnipotent being can choose to follow his own rules if he so chooses. Once he establishes unbreakable rules of justice at the beginning of the world, which he himself chooses to follow, including the rule that justice must be served when the Law is broken, then he must receive satisfaction/justice for sin before it can be forgiven. I don't claim to know exactly [I]why[/I] God is a Trinity, but again as with the last answer, if I believe the NT is God's Word and that it teaches the doctrine, I must accept it. And I can't come away from the NT without agreeing with the orthodox Christian teaching, that the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit are not the same divine persons, and yet they are all equally given credit as being divine. If the Son and the Spirit are equal to the Father in divinity, they are worthy of worship. Scripture refers to him both as God (John 1:1) and as the Son of God (John 1:18). The orthodox Christian teaching (formulated at the Council of Nicea) is that the Father, Son and Holy Spirit are three separate persons yet share the same divine nature. So Jesus is God in the sense that he shares the Father's nature; he is the Son of God in the sense that he's not the same person as the Father. Also, orthodoxy taught at the Council of Chalcedon that he was both divine and human; he had a fully divine nature as well as a fully human nature. Okay so my answers weren't as short as I planned. :D But I hope they were informative! Peace [/QUOTE]
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