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<blockquote data-quote="ViaCrucis" data-source="post: 61126948" data-attributes="member: 293637"><p></p><p></p><p>Depends on how we mean "perfection". In some ways we can say that the only truly perfect is God Himself, wholly independent in His own Being--whereas all creatures are dependent, we can't exist apart from the will of God--after all He created all that exists. If by perfect we simply mean without flaw, then that doesn't preclude being a rational creature with a creaturely will, after all in this sense God created everything perfect, including mankind, and yet mankind can and has fallen; thus the angels are as capable of sin as human beings are.</p><p><span style="color: Green"> </span></p><p><span style="color: Green"></span></p><p></p><p>God doesn't need anything to forgive, and I think this is one of the more detrimental flaws in the modern theology (and its presentation) of Penal Substitution. God didn't need Christ to die (and He certainly didn't kill Him) in order to forgive us, God in His infinite mercy has always been quite capable of extending that mercy to us. Christianity and its doctrine of the Atonement is about God's act of uniting the human race to Himself and setting the world right; not finding a scapegoat upon which to throw His fury in order that we can avoid God's smite stick.</p><p><span style="color: Green"> </span></p><p><span style="color: Green"></span></p><p></p><p>The Son is God even as the Father is God. The doctrine of the Trinity is not that there is God and His Son; two (or three) beings. Rather, the Trinity means that God, in His infinite, eternal, inseparate, and united Being is a relationship of Three. Three gods? No, there is only one God: God. Three beings? No, there is only one Being: God. Yet we confess that there is a Father and He is God, there is a Son and He is God, and there is a Holy Spirit and He is God, not three gods, but one. One infinite, one perfect, one Almighty, one Eternal, one Creator--One.</p><p><span style="color: Green"> </span></p><p><span style="color: Green"></span></p><p></p><p>The answer to all these questions is yes. He is God because He is the Son, thus He is Divine. He is human because He became incarnate in the womb of the Blessed Virgin, this is why we call her Theotokos: mother or bearer of God. Her Child is also her Creator.</p><p></p><p>-CryptoLutheran</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="ViaCrucis, post: 61126948, member: 293637"] [COLOR=Green][COLOR=Black][/COLOR][/COLOR] Depends on how we mean "perfection". In some ways we can say that the only truly perfect is God Himself, wholly independent in His own Being--whereas all creatures are dependent, we can't exist apart from the will of God--after all He created all that exists. If by perfect we simply mean without flaw, then that doesn't preclude being a rational creature with a creaturely will, after all in this sense God created everything perfect, including mankind, and yet mankind can and has fallen; thus the angels are as capable of sin as human beings are. [COLOR=Green] [/COLOR][COLOR=Green][COLOR=Green][COLOR=Green][COLOR=Black][/COLOR][/COLOR][/COLOR][COLOR=Green][COLOR=Black][/COLOR][/COLOR][/COLOR] God doesn't need anything to forgive, and I think this is one of the more detrimental flaws in the modern theology (and its presentation) of Penal Substitution. God didn't need Christ to die (and He certainly didn't kill Him) in order to forgive us, God in His infinite mercy has always been quite capable of extending that mercy to us. Christianity and its doctrine of the Atonement is about God's act of uniting the human race to Himself and setting the world right; not finding a scapegoat upon which to throw His fury in order that we can avoid God's smite stick. [COLOR=Green] [/COLOR][COLOR=Green][COLOR=Green][COLOR=Green][COLOR=Black][/COLOR][/COLOR][/COLOR][COLOR=Green][COLOR=Black][/COLOR][/COLOR][/COLOR] The Son is God even as the Father is God. The doctrine of the Trinity is not that there is God and His Son; two (or three) beings. Rather, the Trinity means that God, in His infinite, eternal, inseparate, and united Being is a relationship of Three. Three gods? No, there is only one God: God. Three beings? No, there is only one Being: God. Yet we confess that there is a Father and He is God, there is a Son and He is God, and there is a Holy Spirit and He is God, not three gods, but one. One infinite, one perfect, one Almighty, one Eternal, one Creator--One. [COLOR=Green] [/COLOR][COLOR=Green][COLOR=Green][COLOR=Black][/COLOR][/COLOR][/COLOR][COLOR=Green][COLOR=Black][/COLOR][/COLOR] The answer to all these questions is yes. He is God because He is the Son, thus He is Divine. He is human because He became incarnate in the womb of the Blessed Virgin, this is why we call her Theotokos: mother or bearer of God. Her Child is also her Creator. -CryptoLutheran [/QUOTE]
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