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9th Circuit Court upholds law banning conversion therapy
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<blockquote data-quote="The Cadet" data-source="post: 70062010" data-attributes="member: 261708"><p><a href="http://www.courthousenews.com/2016/08/23/gay-conversion-therapy-ban-upheld-by-9th-circ.htm" target="_blank">http://www.courthousenews.com/2016/08/23/gay-conversion-therapy-ban-upheld-by-9th-circ.htm</a></p><p></p><p style="margin-left: 20px"> SAN FRANCISCO (CN) — A Ninth Circuit panel upheld California's ban on so-called gay conversion therapy for a second time Tuesday, finding that legislation prohibiting licensed counselors from the controversial practice is not unconstitutional.</p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px">Passed by the California Legislature in 2012, SB 1172 prohibits state-licensed psychiatrists, psychologists and counselors from using sexual orientation change therapy and other "reparative methods" on patients younger than 18.</p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px">[...]</p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"> "The Legislature's stated purpose in enacting SB 1172 was to 'protect the physical and psychological well-being of minors, including lesbian, gay, bisexual, and transgender youth, and to protect its minors against exposure to serious harms caused by sexual orientation change efforts.' The operative provisions of SB 1172 are fully consistent with that secular purpose," Graber wrote. "The law regulates the conduct of state-licensed mental health providers only; the conduct of all other persons, such as religious leaders not acting as state-licensed mental health providers, is unaffected."</p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"></p><p>Friendly reminder: so-called "conversion therapy" or "ex-gay therapy" has never been demonstrated to work in any meaningful way. <a href="http://www.hrc.org/resources/the-lies-and-dangers-of-reparative-therapy" target="_blank">It has, however, on numerous occasions been demonstrated to cause severe harm to the clients</a>. Even if one assumes that homosexuality is something to be cured (a stance firmly rejected by the APA, AMA, AAP, and most other major scientific and medical bodies), ex-gay therapy remains non-functional and harmful.</p><p></p><p>Given that, the response by the plaintiffs is disingenuous at best:</p><p></p><p style="margin-left: 20px">In a phone interview, Pacific Justice Institute president Brad Dacus said, "We of course are very disappointed with this decision. This law we challenged makes it impossible for a minor under 18 who is personally struggling with sexual orientation or gender identity from being able to get the counseling they want in accordance with their personal beliefs, convictions and goals."</p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px">He added, "The fact that the law has no exemption for licensed counselors who are in ministry is a major concern for those of us who don't believe the federal government should be delving into religious matters."</p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"></p><p>Problems with this:</p><p></p><ol> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">There's no good way to tell if the minor actually wants this therapy or is simply being coerced into it</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">The therapy demonstrably does not work</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">The therapy is demonstrably harmful</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">The mindset that the therapy arises from (that homosexuality is wrong) is demonstrably harmful</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">This is no more a religious matter than the abuse of children by clergy in any other form is a religious matter. </li> </ol></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="The Cadet, post: 70062010, member: 261708"] [URL]http://www.courthousenews.com/2016/08/23/gay-conversion-therapy-ban-upheld-by-9th-circ.htm[/URL] [INDENT] SAN FRANCISCO (CN) — A Ninth Circuit panel upheld California's ban on so-called gay conversion therapy for a second time Tuesday, finding that legislation prohibiting licensed counselors from the controversial practice is not unconstitutional. Passed by the California Legislature in 2012, SB 1172 prohibits state-licensed psychiatrists, psychologists and counselors from using sexual orientation change therapy and other "reparative methods" on patients younger than 18. [...] "The Legislature's stated purpose in enacting SB 1172 was to 'protect the physical and psychological well-being of minors, including lesbian, gay, bisexual, and transgender youth, and to protect its minors against exposure to serious harms caused by sexual orientation change efforts.' The operative provisions of SB 1172 are fully consistent with that secular purpose," Graber wrote. "The law regulates the conduct of state-licensed mental health providers only; the conduct of all other persons, such as religious leaders not acting as state-licensed mental health providers, is unaffected." [/INDENT] Friendly reminder: so-called "conversion therapy" or "ex-gay therapy" has never been demonstrated to work in any meaningful way. [URL='http://www.hrc.org/resources/the-lies-and-dangers-of-reparative-therapy']It has, however, on numerous occasions been demonstrated to cause severe harm to the clients[/URL]. Even if one assumes that homosexuality is something to be cured (a stance firmly rejected by the APA, AMA, AAP, and most other major scientific and medical bodies), ex-gay therapy remains non-functional and harmful. Given that, the response by the plaintiffs is disingenuous at best: [INDENT]In a phone interview, Pacific Justice Institute president Brad Dacus said, "We of course are very disappointed with this decision. This law we challenged makes it impossible for a minor under 18 who is personally struggling with sexual orientation or gender identity from being able to get the counseling they want in accordance with their personal beliefs, convictions and goals." He added, "The fact that the law has no exemption for licensed counselors who are in ministry is a major concern for those of us who don't believe the federal government should be delving into religious matters." [/INDENT] Problems with this: [LIST=1] [*]There's no good way to tell if the minor actually wants this therapy or is simply being coerced into it [*]The therapy demonstrably does not work [*]The therapy is demonstrably harmful [*]The mindset that the therapy arises from (that homosexuality is wrong) is demonstrably harmful [*]This is no more a religious matter than the abuse of children by clergy in any other form is a religious matter. [/LIST] [/QUOTE]
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