2024 Conference on the 8th Council

[abacabb3]

Is there anyone here going to the conference and vigil in commemoration of the 8th council? Its in Alabama in March.

 

[ArmyMatt]

no, but I am looking forward to what comes out of it

 

[abacabb3]

Apparently Metropolitan Seraphim of Pirus was added to the conference's speak list. This is interesting considering people's unfounded speculation that the Metropolitan was on bad terms with Father Peter Heers. Hence, if ROCOR is correct that their reception of Father Peter was invalid due to the canonical release to the MP being bungled, then, it seems pretty clear there are no issues with the original bishop who issued the release.

 

[Platina]

Apparently Metropolitan Seraphim of Pirus was added to the conference's speak list. This is interesting considering people's unfounded speculation that the Metropolitan was on bad terms with Father Peter Heers. Hence, if ROCOR is correct that their reception of Father Peter was invalid due to the canonical release to the MP being bungled, then, it seems pretty clear there are no issues with the original bishop who issued the release.

Exactly my thought.

 

[ArmyMatt]

Apparently Metropolitan Seraphim of Pirus was added to the conference's speak list. This is interesting considering people's unfounded speculation that the Metropolitan was on bad terms with Father Peter Heers. Hence, if ROCOR is correct that their reception of Father Peter was invalid due to the canonical release to the MP being bungled, then, it seems pretty clear there are no issues with the original bishop who issued the release.

good point

 

[orange the duck]

Hello. Can someone please explain to me what this council is supposed to address (if such information is even known)? I looked online and google doesnt seem to understand what information Im looking for (which is mostly likely due to me putting my question into google in a manor that google doesnt understand)

 

[ArmyMatt]

Hello. Can someone please explain to me what this council is supposed to address (if such information is even known)? I looked online and google doesnt seem to understand what information Im looking for (which is mostly likely due to me putting my question into google in a manor that google doesnt understand)

Constantinople IV which condemned the filioque, which Rome formally agreed with for over a century.

 

[orange the duck]

Constantinople IV which condemned the filioque, which Rome formally agreed with for over a century.

I apologize for a stupid question...but are you saying this council next year will be another Constantinople IV?

 

[Platina]

No, the conference that will be held next year is dedicated to the topic of the 8th Ecumenical Council, which was held in the 9th century: Eighth Ecumenical Council - OrthodoxWiki

 

[abacabb3]

Hello. Can someone please explain to me what this council is supposed to address (if such information is even known)? I looked online and google doesnt seem to understand what information Im looking for (which is mostly likely due to me putting my question into google in a manor that google doesnt understand)

It condemned those who added to the creed and issued a canon that Constantinople cannot be appealed to Rome and Rome's privliges cannot be changed by innovations (an implicit condemnation of Papalism).

 

[ArmyMatt]

I apologize for a stupid question...but are you saying this council next year will be another Constantinople IV?

no, it will discuss the legitimacy of Constantinople IV

 

[ArmyMatt]

It condemned those who added to the creed and issued a canon that Constantinople cannot be appealed to Rome and Rome's privliges cannot be changed by innovations (an implicit condemnation of Papalism).

and, lest we forget, Rome agreed to this council for over a century.

 

[Cody J Dunbar]

A few folks from my Parish are going. I wish I could make the time.

 

[ArmyMatt]

you should share what they think of it

 

[Cody J Dunbar]

you should share what they think of it

I will. I know one of them is good friends with Fr. Heers and is taking a group of people down there.

 

[ArmyMatt]

I will. I know one of them is good friends with Fr. Heers and is taking a group of people down there.

nice

 

[abacabb3]

and, lest we forget, Rome agreed to this council for over a century.

Dr. David Ford taught this at St Tikhon's?

 

[ArmyMatt]

Dr. David Ford taught this at St Tikhon's?

yep, and Dr David is for Constantinople IV and V being added as Ecumenical for us.

 

[abacabb3]

yep, and Dr David is for Constantinople IV and V being added as Ecumenical for us.

I don't like the palamite councils being declared Ecumenical. They lacked the assent of Rome, which at least is mentioned as one of the parties whose assent is necessary within the pentarchy. I am honestly surprised that within the popular Orthodox consciousness, even among the experts, what makes an Ecumenical council seems to be approached as if the criteria was nebulous.

For what it's worth, the Pan Orthodox synods are still authoritative

 

[ArmyMatt]

I don't like the palamite councils being declared Ecumenical. They lacked the assent of Rome, which at least is mentioned as one of the parties whose assent is necessary within the pentarchy. I am honestly surprised that within the popular Orthodox consciousness, even among the experts, what makes an Ecumenical council seems to be approached as if the criteria was nebulous.

For what it's worth, the Pan Orthodox synods are still authoritative

you don’t need Rome if Rome had been heretical for 300 years