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Perhaps now that it is 2020, God will allow people to see the simple salvation of the Lord which has eluded Christians for almost 2000 years.

It really isn’t complicated. We each have a body and a soul, but we are each one person. God in His Righteousness must respect us as individuals and not manipulate us like we are toys. If God manipulates us like we are toys, we can have no security in Heaven. Who knows when God might manipulate us again and toss us out of Heaven.

Jesus is one of us, but He overcame the Law. Jesus discards His body. This makes it fair for our bodies to be discarded, and our spirit is then found worthy of eternal life. This is not to say that the flesh is evil. Jesus came in the flesh. Jesus said the spirit is willing, but the flesh is weak. The flesh is manipulated and caused to sin, yet we are responsible for our own thoughts and actions. We will fairly suffer temporal punishment because of our sin, but on the Day of Judgment when our body is discarded, our sinless spirit is found worthy of eternal life and we are given a new body, a glorified body. We only make it to Heaven because of Christ, who justifies the discarding of our old body.

Everyone who possesses unselfish love (the spirit) is a child of God, and the grace of Christ (giving us a new body) will redeem all the children of God in all nations and religions. God will lose none of His children on the Day of Judgment.

The Bible sometimes describes temporal punishment and reward, and that causes a lot of confusion. There is a great deal of debate over how to get to Heaven, but often it is a debate over verses that are about temporal judgment.

Still, it is miraculous that God has prevented people from seeing this simple method of eternal salvation. Christians are convinced that Jesus redeems us by taking upon Himself the responsibility for our sins. Jesus died for us, He died in our place, He died because of our sins, but none of that says that there is a transfer of responsibility for sin. A transfer of responsibility for sin is not fair, and it violates passages in the Bible. A transfer of responsibility for sins is not a common theme in the Bible, but there is a great abundance in the Bible about the separation of good from bad.

The sprinkling of blood, the refining of gold, sheep and goats, wheat and tares, circumcision, the parting of the sea, the tearing of the veil, the separation of Israel from Egypt, plucking out an offensive eye--redemption or purification in the Bible is always about separating one thing from another. From the beginning of the Bible, God created the world by separating one thing from another.

In burnt offerings the flesh is destroyed, and there is the eucharist where the flesh is consumed or destroyed so that we might live.
 

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Perhaps now that it is 2020, God will allow people to see the simple salvation of the Lord which has eluded Christians for almost 2000 years.

It really isn’t complicated. We each have a body and a soul, but we are each one person. God in His Righteousness must respect us as individuals and not manipulate us like we are toys. If God manipulates us like we are toys, we can have no security in Heaven. Who knows when God might manipulate us again and toss us out of Heaven.

Jesus is one of us, but He overcame the Law. Jesus discards His body. This makes it fair for our bodies to be discarded, and our spirit is then found worthy of eternal life. This is not to say that the flesh is evil. Jesus came in the flesh. Jesus said the spirit is willing, but the flesh is weak. The flesh is manipulated and caused to sin, yet we are responsible for our own thoughts and actions. We will fairly suffer temporal punishment because of our sin, but on the Day of Judgment when our body is discarded, our sinless spirit is found worthy of eternal life and we are given a new body, a glorified body. We only make it to Heaven because of Christ, who justifies the discarding of our old body.

Everyone who possesses unselfish love (the spirit) is a child of God, and the grace of Christ (giving us a new body) will redeem all the children of God in all nations and religions. God will lose none of His children on the Day of Judgment.

The Bible sometimes describes temporal punishment and reward, and that causes a lot of confusion. There is a great deal of debate over how to get to Heaven, but often it is a debate over verses that are about temporal judgment.

Still, it is miraculous that God has prevented people from seeing this simple method of eternal salvation. Christians are convinced that Jesus redeems us by taking upon Himself the responsibility for our sins. Jesus died for us, He died in our place, He died because of our sins, but none of that says that there is a transfer of responsibility for sin. A transfer of responsibility for sin is not fair, and it violates passages in the Bible. A transfer of responsibility for sins is not a common theme in the Bible, but there is a great abundance in the Bible about the separation of good from bad.

The sprinkling of blood, the refining of gold, sheep and goats, wheat and tares, circumcision, the parting of the sea, the tearing of the veil, the separation of Israel from Egypt, plucking out an offensive eye--redemption or purification in the Bible is always about separating one thing from another. From the beginning of the Bible, God created the world by separating one thing from another.

In burnt offerings the flesh is destroyed, and there is the eucharist where the flesh is consumed or destroyed so that we might live.

I'm impressed that you have noticed that God separates "one thing from another." I believe that He separates us from our sins, tares, chaff, wood, hay and stubble.
 
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Separating us from our body, however, is a Platonic idea, not a Biblical one.

It is not the body, but the corruptibility of the body, which is a burden to the soul.
CHURCH FATHERS: City of God, Book XIII (St. Augustine)

1 Corinthians 6:19 NLT
Don’t you realize that your body is the temple of the Holy Spirit, who lives in you and was given to you by God?

Romans 8:23 NLT
And we believers also groan, even though we have the Holy Spirit within us as a foretaste of future glory, for we long for our bodies to be released from sin and suffering. We, too, wait with eager hope for the day when God will give us our full rights as his adopted children, including the new bodies he has promised us.
 
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I would agree with St. Augustine on that point. It is the corruptibility of the body that is the burden to the soul. As Jesus said, the flesh is weak. It is not that the flesh is evil, but it is week, and is corrupted by evil forces. Our spirit is not corrupted.

The verse from Romans you posted talks about the "new bodies he has promised us". If our "bodies" are given new bodies, then our "bodies" could be talking about our spiritual bodies, and the new bodies we are given would be our new physical bodies.
 
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