2 Australian police officers and a bystander murdered by 3 apparent sovereign citizen types in Queensland (who are shot dead by police)

[essentialsaltes]

Six dead, including two police officers, after shooting and siege at rural property​

Police have shot dead three people after an ambush at a remote property in Queensland’s Western Downs in which two officers and a member of the public were killed, bringing the total number of fatalities to six.

Earlier in the day, four police officers went to the rural property to investigate reports of a missing person, believed to be a former school principal from NSW [and one of the perps, it seems], and were met with a hail of gunfire. Sources likened the scene to an ambush.

Police returned fire, but two officers were critically injured and died at the scene. A member of the public, believed to be a neighbour, who also responded to the gunfire was killed.

Accounts linked to Queensland police shooter active on conspiracy sites​

Online accounts sharing the name of one of the trio shot and killed by police at a regional Queensland property, after the fatal shooting of two officers and a neighbour, repeatedly shared views that Port Arthur was a false-flag event to “disarm” Australians.

Bearing the name Gareth Train — who along with wife Stacey owned the Western Downs property on which the “execution-style” killing of policeoccurred on Monday — the accounts had been active in fringe online communities as far back as September 2020.

On Tuesday, one prominent Australian conspiracist and sovereign citizen figure told followers they did not know the circumstances of the Queensland shooting and “frankly I don’t care”.

“Never forget the costumed thugs opened fire [with non-lethal rounds] on my unarmed countrymen at the Shrine of Remembrance last year!” they said, referencing the Melbourne pandemic protest.

 

[hislegacy]

Mass shooting in Australia!

Absolutely horrible.

 

[DaisyDay]

Mass shooting in Australia!

Absolutely horrible.

As is it would be not be horrible in not Australia?

 

[hislegacy]

As is it would be not be horrible in not Australia?

No clue what that means.

That is horrible - means.......

that is horrible.

Hard to assign more of a definition to three words.

 

[Pommer]

No clue what that means.

That is horrible - means.......

that is horrible.

Hard to assign more of a definition to three words.

It’s probably even worse for our Aussie friends since they’re not used to it.

 

[hislegacy]

It’s probably even worse for our Aussie friends since they’re not used to it.

Suffer the loss of a life I think is horrible - if one has got used to it - that is even more horrible. IMHO

 

[Hank77]

Mass shooting in Australia!

Absolutely horrible.

Three people is a mass shooting?

 

[DaisyDay]

Three people is a mass shooting?

Six died in all, but I'm not sure since three were killed by cops,

 

[hislegacy]

Three people is a mass shooting?


Well, at least I took the time to read the link.

 

[Trogdor the Burninator]

Yep - sovereign citizen / conspiracy nutjobs by the look of it. And pretty shocking here given the rarity of these kinds of crimes.

 

[Bob Crowley]

This is my understanding but I'm not sure how accurate it would be.

It's a rural area, so it would have been a fairly isolated property.

It would appear the "bait" was a burning vehicle. Two young police officers who went to investigate were shot dead in cold blood. An innocent citizen, a neighbour I presume, was killed when he went to assist the police officers.

So then the police called in their own marksmen presumably from the "Queensland Police's Special Emergency Response Team".

After a gun battle, the three shooters were killed and it was over by 11.30pm.

Six people died - two young police officers, the neighbour and the three shooters.

Chilling moment cold-blooded killers calmly execute wounded cops

Matthew Arnold, 26, and Rachel McCrow, 29, were killed execution style after being wounded in an ambush in rural Queensland on Monday evening.

www.dailymail.co.uk

The young male constable went to a school called St. Laurence's in Brisbane, and I know of at least two people in our parish who knew him personally and regarded him as a friend. Their own children attended the same school.

It's a small world at times.

Chinchilla is about 300 kilometres NNW of Brisbane, the capital city.

One puzzling aspect is that one of the shooters had until recently been principal of a state school, and was regarded very highly.

 

[disciple Clint]

Mass shooting in Australia!

Absolutely horrible.

Yes I was convinced by some of the posts from that nation that they did not have any of the problems that we have in our nation and we should follow their example.

 

[Trogdor the Burninator]

Yes I was convinced by some of the posts from that nation that they did not have any of the problems that we have in our nation and we should follow their example.

Given that it's taken until December to have a shooting where 3 people were murdered I'd say we're doing OK

 

[Tinker Grey]

Given that it's taken until December to have a shooting where 3 people were murdered I'd say we're doing OK

Indeed. The US has about 11 times the death rate by guns as Australia: Gun Deaths by Country 2022

 

[disciple Clint]

Given that it's taken until December to have a shooting where 3 people were murdered I'd say we're doing OK

Based on your population?

 

[Bob Crowley]

If you click on the link, a map of the world comes up. Click on the USA and under "Gun deaths by country", 10.95 per 100,000 comes up.

Click on Australia and .92 deaths per 100,000 is the figure. On a prorata basis, the US has about 11.9 times the number of shooting deaths per head of population (almost 12 times the number).

Gun Deaths by Country 2024

worldpopulationreview.com

 

[Zoii]

Six dead, including two police officers, after shooting and siege at rural property​

Police have shot dead three people after an ambush at a remote property in Queensland’s Western Downs in which two officers and a member of the public were killed, bringing the total number of fatalities to six.

Earlier in the day, four police officers went to the rural property to investigate reports of a missing person, believed to be a former school principal from NSW [and one of the perps, it seems], and were met with a hail of gunfire. Sources likened the scene to an ambush.

Police returned fire, but two officers were critically injured and died at the scene. A member of the public, believed to be a neighbour, who also responded to the gunfire was killed.

Accounts linked to Queensland police shooter active on conspiracy sites​

Online accounts sharing the name of one of the trio shot and killed by police at a regional Queensland property, after the fatal shooting of two officers and a neighbour, repeatedly shared views that Port Arthur was a false-flag event to “disarm” Australians.

Bearing the name Gareth Train — who along with wife Stacey owned the Western Downs property on which the “execution-style” killing of policeoccurred on Monday — the accounts had been active in fringe online communities as far back as September 2020.

On Tuesday, one prominent Australian conspiracist and sovereign citizen figure told followers they did not know the circumstances of the Queensland shooting and “frankly I don’t care”.

“Never forget the costumed thugs opened fire [with non-lethal rounds] on my unarmed countrymen at the Shrine of Remembrance last year!” they said, referencing the Melbourne pandemic protest.

We now know that the 3 perpetrators were ex-teachers who were heavily involved in conspiracy theories and had an evangelical Christian background that enmeshed with their odd world view.

 

[Bob Crowley]

I haven't been keeping up with all the reporting, other than the early articles. I don't know what their beliefs were, but I very much doubt if they will ever get to heaven, to put it politely.

Personally I think that, in the light of divine judgement, they could not believe how stupid they had been.

I say that because I claim that on the night my own father died, he appeared in my room. Most of the time he was looking over my head with either a look of awe, or otherwise trying to hide his face behind his hands. I surmise at those times he was seeing less palatable aspects of his life being played back to him.

But at one stage he blurted out "I can't believe how cruel and stupid I've been!"

Now I don't know if they were normally cruel - probably not. But with the benefit of eternal hindsight which they would have realised very clearly as they faced the judgment seat, and could see the future that awaited them for eternity, I suspect they "could not believe how stupid (they) had been!"

That's what I think, alleged evangelical Christian beliefs or not.

 

[Occams Barber]

Indeed. The US has about 11 times the death rate by guns as Australia: Gun Deaths by Country 2022

It's been around six days since the shooting. There is already a push among state Premiers (roughly equivalent to US State Governors) to meet to discuss tightening up gun laws across the country following suggestions from State Police Commissioners.

OB

 

[Occams Barber]

Yes I was convinced by some of the posts from that nation that they did not have any of the problems that we have in our nation and we should follow their example.

Mass shootings are extremely rare in this country. The last time there was a mass shooting in Australia was in 2019.

OB