10 US States Are More Than 90% White

[GoldenBoy89]

Isn't the onus on you to prove that it is?

Nope.

You said poverty doesn't bring crime. I call bull until I see some stats to support that claim.

 

[Aldebaran]

Nope.

You said poverty doesn't bring crime. I call bull until I see some stats to support that claim.

I call bull until you can accept that you keep misquoting him. He disagreed with the notion that is being presented, and now you're unable to accept a point of view that isn't the same as yours.

 

[nightflight]

I do cut through parking lots to avoid red lights, but I would probably do that even if I was wealthy.

 

[Ave Maria]

I don't find this to be surprising at all.

 

[nightflight]

Nope.

You said poverty doesn't bring crime. I call bull until I see some stats to support that claim.

I also say Galactus isn't real.

 

[GoldenBoy89]

Hey, here's something supporting my claim:

Household Poverty and Nonfatal Violent Victimization, 2008–2012

Marcus Berzofsky, Dr.P.H., RTI International, Lance Couzens, RTI International, Erika Harrell, Ph.D., BJS Statistician, Lynn Langton, Ph.D., BJS Statistician, Hope Smiley-McDonald, Ph.D., RTI International

November 18, 2014 NCJ 248384

Presents findings from 2008 to 2012 on the relationship between households that were above or below the federal poverty level and nonfatal violent victimization, including rape or sexual assault, robbery, aggravated assault, and simple assault. This report examines the violent victimization experiences of persons living in households at various levels of poverty, focusing on type of violence, victim's race or Hispanic origin, and location of residence. It also examines the percentage of violent victimizations reported to the police by poverty level. Data are from the National Crime Victimization Survey (NCVS), which collects information on nonfatal crimes, reported and not reported to the police, against persons age 12 or older from a nationally representative sample of U.S. households. During 2012, about 92,390 households and 162,940 persons were interviewed for the NCVS.

Highlights:

For the period 2008–12—

• Persons in poor households at or below the Federal Poverty Level (FPL) (39.8 per 1,000) had more than double the rate of violent victimization as persons in high-income households (16.9 per 1,000).
• Persons in poor households had a higher rate of violence involving a firearm (3.5 per 1,000) compared to persons above the FPL (0.8–2.5 per 1,000).
• The overall pattern of poor persons having the highest rates of violent victimization was consistent for both whites and blacks. However, the rate of violent victimization for Hispanics did not vary across poverty levels.
• Poor Hispanics (25.3 per 1,000) had lower rates of violence compared to poor whites (46.4 per 1,000) and poor blacks (43.4 per 1,000).
• Poor persons living in urban areas (43.9 per 1,000) had violent victimization rates similar to poor persons living in rural areas (38.8 per 1,000).
• Poor urban blacks (51.3 per 1,000) had rates of violence similar to poor urban whites (56.4 per 1,000).

http://www.bjs.gov/index.cfm?ty=pbdetail&iid=5137
http://www.bjs.gov/content/pub/pdf/hpnvv0812.pdf

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Do a lot of generally well-off people make it a habit to frequent low-income areas to commit crimes to skew these numbers or could there be a slight connection between low social mobility, poor education, desperation and subsequent crime?

 

[Aldebaran]

Hey, here's something supporting my claim:

Household Poverty and Nonfatal Violent Victimization, 2008–2012

Marcus Berzofsky, Dr.P.H., RTI International, Lance Couzens, RTI International, Erika Harrell, Ph.D., BJS Statistician, Lynn Langton, Ph.D., BJS Statistician, Hope Smiley-McDonald, Ph.D., RTI International

November 18, 2014 NCJ 248384

Presents findings from 2008 to 2012 on the relationship between households that were above or below the federal poverty level and nonfatal violent victimization, including rape or sexual assault, robbery, aggravated assault, and simple assault. This report examines the violent victimization experiences of persons living in households at various levels of poverty, focusing on type of violence, victim's race or Hispanic origin, and location of residence. It also examines the percentage of violent victimizations reported to the police by poverty level. Data are from the National Crime Victimization Survey (NCVS), which collects information on nonfatal crimes, reported and not reported to the police, against persons age 12 or older from a nationally representative sample of U.S. households. During 2012, about 92,390 households and 162,940 persons were interviewed for the NCVS.

Highlights:

For the period 2008–12—

• Persons in poor households at or below the Federal Poverty Level (FPL) (39.8 per 1,000) had more than double the rate of violent victimization as persons in high-income households (16.9 per 1,000).
• Persons in poor households had a higher rate of violence involving a firearm (3.5 per 1,000) compared to persons above the FPL (0.8–2.5 per 1,000).
• The overall pattern of poor persons having the highest rates of violent victimization was consistent for both whites and blacks. However, the rate of violent victimization for Hispanics did not vary across poverty levels.
• Poor Hispanics (25.3 per 1,000) had lower rates of violence compared to poor whites (46.4 per 1,000) and poor blacks (43.4 per 1,000).
• Poor persons living in urban areas (43.9 per 1,000) had violent victimization rates similar to poor persons living in rural areas (38.8 per 1,000).
• Poor urban blacks (51.3 per 1,000) had rates of violence similar to poor urban whites (56.4 per 1,000).

http://www.bjs.gov/index.cfm?ty=pbdetail&iid=5137
http://www.bjs.gov/content/pub/pdf/hpnvv0812.pdf

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Do a lot of generally well-off people make it a habit to frequent low-income areas to commit crimes to skew these numbers or could there be a slight connection between low social mobility, poor education, desperation and subsequent crime?

Well, there you have it! As a low-income person, I guess I'd better go and commit some crimes! It's the only way to get myself out of poverty!

 

[nightflight]

Hey, here's something supporting my claim:

Household Poverty and Nonfatal Violent Victimization, 2008–2012

Marcus Berzofsky, Dr.P.H., RTI International, Lance Couzens, RTI International, Erika Harrell, Ph.D., BJS Statistician, Lynn Langton, Ph.D., BJS Statistician, Hope Smiley-McDonald, Ph.D., RTI International

November 18, 2014 NCJ 248384

Presents findings from 2008 to 2012 on the relationship between households that were above or below the federal poverty level and nonfatal violent victimization, including rape or sexual assault, robbery, aggravated assault, and simple assault. This report examines the violent victimization experiences of persons living in households at various levels of poverty, focusing on type of violence, victim's race or Hispanic origin, and location of residence. It also examines the percentage of violent victimizations reported to the police by poverty level. Data are from the National Crime Victimization Survey (NCVS), which collects information on nonfatal crimes, reported and not reported to the police, against persons age 12 or older from a nationally representative sample of U.S. households. During 2012, about 92,390 households and 162,940 persons were interviewed for the NCVS.

Highlights:

For the period 2008–12—

• Persons in poor households at or below the Federal Poverty Level (FPL) (39.8 per 1,000) had more than double the rate of violent victimization as persons in high-income households (16.9 per 1,000).
• Persons in poor households had a higher rate of violence involving a firearm (3.5 per 1,000) compared to persons above the FPL (0.8–2.5 per 1,000).
• The overall pattern of poor persons having the highest rates of violent victimization was consistent for both whites and blacks. However, the rate of violent victimization for Hispanics did not vary across poverty levels.
• Poor Hispanics (25.3 per 1,000) had lower rates of violence compared to poor whites (46.4 per 1,000) and poor blacks (43.4 per 1,000).
• Poor persons living in urban areas (43.9 per 1,000) had violent victimization rates similar to poor persons living in rural areas (38.8 per 1,000).
• Poor urban blacks (51.3 per 1,000) had rates of violence similar to poor urban whites (56.4 per 1,000).

http://www.bjs.gov/index.cfm?ty=pbdetail&iid=5137
http://www.bjs.gov/content/pub/pdf/hpnvv0812.pdf

​

Do a lot of generally well-off people make it a habit to frequent low-income areas to commit crimes to skew these numbers or could there be a slight connection between low social mobility, poor education, desperation and subsequent crime?

Correlation equals causation? And why isn't rape listed in the crimes above? Is there an exception?

 

[GoldenBoy89]

I call bull until you can accept that you keep misquoting him. He disagreed with the notion that is being presented, and now you're unable to accept a point of view that isn't the same as yours.

Misquoting? He directly admitted as much right to me.

Yes. Don't you?

 

[GoldenBoy89]

And the tap dancing begins!

 

[GoldenBoy89]

And here I thought Creationists had a hard time with reality....

 

[Aldebaran]

Misquoting? He directly admitted as much right to me.

Really? Quote exactly what he said. Never mind, I'll do it myself--again. He said, "I disagree with this notion that being poor means more crime."
Now, can you live with the fact that he disagrees with that notion?

 

[Aldebaran]

And here I thought Creationists had a hard time with reality....

We're still waiting for you to prove what you perceive as reality.

 

[nightflight]

And the tap dancing begins!

Irony meter going wild. And I still want to know why rape wasn't listed as one of the crimes caused by poverty.

 

[GoldenBoy89]

Really? Quote exactly what he said. Never mind, I'll do it myself--again. He said, "I disagree with this notion that being poor means more crime."
Now, can you live with the fact that he disagrees with that notion?

That someone is willfully choosing to disagree with and ignore reality?

I'm quite used to seeing that around here.

 

[GoldenBoy89]

We're still waiting for you to prove what you perceive as reality.

Prove what I perceive?


That's an odd request.

 

[GoldenBoy89]

Irony meter going wild.

Might want to check your batteries.

And I still want to know why rape wasn't listed as one of the crimes caused by poverty.

Why does it matter?

 

[Aldebaran]

That someone is willfully choosing to disagree with and ignore reality?

I'm quite used to seeing that around here.

I wasn't aware that you are the one who defines "reality" for the rest of us. You need to quit trying to take on the role of the government in telling us how to think!

 

[GoldenBoy89]

I wasn't aware that you are the one who defines "reality" for the rest of us. You need to quit trying to take on the role of the government in telling us how to think!

If you have to ignore objective statistics to continue believing what you do, then there isn't much I can do for you.

 

[TerranceL]

Nope.

You said poverty doesn't bring crime. I call bull until I see some stats to support that claim.

Poverty doesn't bring crime.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_lowest-income_places_in_the_United_States

Lets just take a look at the top 5:

Large cities with a high percentage of low income residents
For the survey, a large city is defined as a city with a population of 250,000 or more. Percentage of residents living below the U.S. government established poverty income level is listed, based on 2012 US Census estimates.[2]

1. Detroit, Michigan 42.3%
2. Cleveland, Ohio 36.1%
3. Cincinnati, Ohio 34.1%
4. Miami, Florida 31.7%
5. Fresno, California 31.5%

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_States_cities_by_crime_rate_(2014)

City Violent Crime Aggravated Assault
Detroit 1,988.6 1,342.4
Cleveland 1,334.3 424.8
Cincinnati 905.4 353.1
Miami 1,060.0 590.5
Fresno 464.2 292.5


The poverty rate in Miami and Fresno are different by .2% yet the crime numbers are drastically different.

It's almost as if there is more to crime than people being poor.

It's time to stop pretending that being poor makes you more prone to criminal behavior. It's insulting.