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Boy - I am confused by all the follow up.... I did see Modalism in there (the whole Father, Son, Husband thing for sure...since that conception is uniquely mono-personal rather than tri-personal). If there are three persons - there are three person Gods If there is one nature - there is one...

"Worship" needs to be defined in English. However, the word commonly translated "worship" is used of men all the time throughout scripture including Jesus commanding the synagogue of Satan to worship the Church.... (Rev3:9). Therefore, receiving worship simply means one person has an...

Llewelyn - Isn't the real issue that both of them deny the man Christ Jesus? And have replaced with a deity?

I am lost - where does scripture state that "no man can see or has seen God the father..."? Thanks, Greg

Simon You are refusing to answer such a simple but critical question - a question that will identify that exact core of the issue. I realize you may be terrified to actually have the core of the issue exposed because you are seeing the implications already. Thus you choose to curse and flee...

Simon, Simon, Simon, I will give you credit - while you have far more fleshly bluster than Cap does, it is of a much less foul, malignant sort. However, I am looking for substance - the pure Word of God - not the bluster of men's tradition (including traditional and very bankrupt exegesis)...

Hi Issacsname, How does your post respond to the OP - or the revised OP?

Thanks Cassia - it is nice to be treated as an adult. Admittedly I had a lot of hope in Cap in the beginning but slowly recognized it was all a ruse and then the true colors came out. Best, Aner

Ahh - you are now moving up to the level of threatening. Neat. I do see where your religion comes from - and I don't even need to put a cute little picture. I am sort of gathering that you are a very young person. The reality is that I could not care less what you do any more than I care...

Cap So that is how you do it? You act like a child who gets all teed off, stomp your feet and take your toys and cry out to mom to have the other kids go home?? All your neat pagan philosophy has gotten you nowhere nor will with respect to a genuine walk in Christ as scripture specifically...

Just Thanks for joining in. I greatly appreciate your input - which is, ultimately exactly my point (as both Cap and Simon well understand despite making excruciating efforts to avoid the obvious conclusion). However, before interacting, I would like to set a hermeneutic ground-rule. I have...

Cap I am realizing that I need to back out. You have chosen to play word games. When you repent and choose to allow words to retain their standard meanings - instead of creating whatever meaning you wish to fit a pre-determined theology - then I will be more than happy to resume dialogue...

Cap Can you say that with a straight face - an incarnated deity in human form is a "real genuine man"??????? Which leads me back to my question - Why are you so desperate to deny that Jesus is a man - a real genuine man like you and I?? You go to such excruciating lengths instead of simply...

Without being overly technical - First Adam = "Not Incarnate Divine Entity" Therefore, Last Adam = "Not Incarnate Divine Entity" Cap - Admittedly, you have me lost. Why are you so desperate to deny that Jesus is a man - a real genuine man like you and I?? You go to such excruciating lengths...

Cap - Neat trick...:-). I have been around longer than that. I rely on Bible categories. I Tim 2:5 is all you need to keep your man-God categories straight. However, all of scripture is clear - man is man - God is God. In fact, your efforts to philosophize your way through what is...

Cap - With all due respect, the notion that a "real human being" is identical to "divine entity" is a complete oxymoron. What you are saying is on the level of "green" is "blue" and essentially words can mean anything you want (a well known cult practice). Reality, of course, is that there...

Simon With all due respect, I did not patronize you. If any comment appeared otherwise, I can assure it was totally unintentional. We have had a quite respectful conversation - that is the only way I intend to communicate. As a preliminary comment, your thesis that Jesus is simply an...

Cap Reasonable points. re: Deity I used it only because that it adherents to the hypostatic union use this and I assumed you would without further need for definition. As you noted, Christians did fine without the term. I agree. Let's dispense with the term as it is not the focus - the man...

He wasn't sick - he simply carried out the right-wing, tea-party, southern fundamentalist Baptist, Rep-con agenda. This agenda has been in full swing for centuries - most recently they simply covered themselves in sheets....

Fair enough response - I appreciate the thoughtfulness. re: Deity I do not find a need to define it. As I walk with God in Christ by His Spirit, I find no compelling reason to have such a definition. Obviously Elijah did not need a definition of deity to call fire out of heaven. In light of...