Will This Planet be Destroyed?

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The total energy of the universe is zero.


Thanks for the references.
I use them quite often, because they are in black and white, so everyone can see for themselves.
Did you notice an important fact, we never want to lose sight of?
Most cosmologists believe...

What scientists believe, and what is, isn't the same thing, is it.
Isn't that why, we will read a journal later, which reads, "Most cosmologists believed....?
How important for us, we don't take the words of scientists as, the Gospel.

It was made from nothing (Ex Nihilo); adds up to nothing; and will go back to nothing when God's finished with it.
As stated above, that's what scientists believe. That's not necessarily reality.
How good it would be if all of us who identify as Christian, would quote the Bible, the way some of us quote scientists.
The universe was made from God's 'great might and the strength of his power'. Isaiah 40:26
In other words, out of God, the universe came.

That's why I think God could possibly use the Higgs Field when He decides the time is up, but that is just my opinion.

It's a stage prop set up for the human story into which God inserted Himself in human form about 2000 years ago.

Since the human race crucified Him He's not going to put up with us forever. He's got a score to settle.
I understand.
So how do you feel about it now, since, in most cases, the scriptures are not in agreement with what most scientists believe.
Not that I am saying science doesn't agree with the Bible, but rather, what most scientists believe, does agree with the Bible.

What's Gospel to you?
 
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Of course. It is what the Bible teaches.



I believe exactly what these and other verses teach plainly...

Isaiah 65:17
For, behold, I create new heavens and a new earth: and the former shall not be remembered, nor come into mind.


'Create new' means to make something that did not exist before.

Isaiah 66:22
"For as the new heavens and the new earth, which I will make, shall remain before me, saith the LORD, so shall your seed and your name remain."


'Will make' is future.

2 Peter 3:13
"Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness."


The old Heavens and old Earth are 'passed away'...

Revelation 21:1
"And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea."


There are many verses to study...

Isaiah 34:4
"And all the host of heaven shall be dissolved, and the heavens shall be rolled together as a scroll: and all their host shall fall down, as the leaf falleth off from the vine, and as a falling fig from the fig tree."

2 Peter 3:12
"Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?"


If God can create our universe, God can destroy it, which he will.
Thanks for the scriptures.
I do agree with all of them.

However, I don't agree they say what most people believe.
Since earth in the Bible, isn't always used literally to refer to the planet, but figuratively to refer to inhabitants (heavens also is used figuratively to refer to rulership) Daniel 4:26; Isaiah 14:12; Revelation 20:11, we have to ask, the question - Does creating new heavens and new earth, mean creating new physical heavens and earth, or new heavens and earth in relation to what is mentioned at Isaiah 51:16. - a new system, of rulership and earthly society

Based on what we read at Ecclesiastes 1:4; Psalm 104:5; Psalm 78:69, the earth is established forever, by God. It's here to stay, and so are the heavens, which God created for himself. Psalm 115:16; Isaiah 66:1.
Hence, we can understand from scripture that God will not destroy the planet earth, but he will remove the present world of ungodly people of our time. See this post, please.
 
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Thanks for the scriptures.
I do agree with all of them.

However, I don't agree they say what most people believe.
Since earth in the Bible, isn't always used literally to refer to the planet, but figuratively to refer to inhabitants (heavens also is used figuratively to refer to rulership) Daniel 4:26; Isaiah 14:12; Revelation 20:11, we have to ask, the question - Does creating new heavens and new earth, mean creating new physical heavens and earth, or new heavens and earth in relation to what is mentioned at Isaiah 51:16. - a new system, of rulership and earthly society

Based on what we read at Ecclesiastes 1:4; Psalm 104:5; Psalm 78:69, the earth is established forever, by God. It's here to stay, and so are the heavens, which God created for himself. Psalm 115:16; Isaiah 66:1.
Hence, we can understand from scripture that God will not destroy the planet earth, but he will remove the present world of ungodly people of our time. See this post, please.
When I go to the doctor to get a prescription; hop on a plane to fly a couple of thousand kilometres; assume the traffic will stop when the lights change; use GPS to get from A to B; look at images from the Hubble or Webb space telescopes; or glue two things together I depend on scientists, chemists and engineers, sometimes for my personal safety and life.

I don't go looking in ancient Hebrew folklore for information on those things.

When I want to find out about Jesus Christ and eternal salvation, then I go looking in the Bible. Above all it points to him, and that's my gospel.

As for the earth lasting forever, Saint Peter didn't think so.

2 Peter 3:10​

NIVBut the day of the Lord will come like a thief. The heavens will disappear with a roar; the elements will be destroyed by fire, and the earth and everything done in it will be laid bare.
 
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Based on what we read at Ecclesiastes 1:4; Psalm 104:5; Psalm 78:69, the earth is established forever, by God. It's here to stay, and so are the heavens, which God created for himself. Psalm 115:16; Isaiah 66:1.

The word 'forever' may not mean what you think it means...

First, the Hebrew word is olam. The word itself simply means "long duration," "antiquity," "futurity," "until the end of a period of time." That period of time is determined by the context. Sometimes it is the length of a man's life, sometimes it is an age, and sometimes it is a dispensation.

 
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When I go to the doctor to get a prescription; hop on a plane to fly a couple of thousand kilometres; assume the traffic will stop when the lights change; use GPS to get from A to B; look at images from the Hubble or Webb space telescopes; or glue two things together I depend on scientists, chemists and engineers, sometimes for my personal safety and life.

I don't go looking in ancient Hebrew folklore for information on those things.
That's very good, that you seek help when you feel it is necessary.
Jesus did say the sick needs a physician, so you are sick, and don't know how to deal with that, it would be wise to get help.

Tell me though, would not go back to a doctor who tells you, "I really can't be sure you have x, but take this prescription, because I believe.... "?
Would you hop on the plane, if you are told, they aren't sure the plane has enough fuel to fly you a couple kilometers, but they believe...?
I hope like me you are praying that some maniac isn't fleeing from the cops when the lights change, because sadly, many have lost their life, when they drove on as the lights change to green. The fleeing suspect did not stop. Sad loss of life.
GPS, is like the TV remote control. The manufacturers, didn't ship them off, saying, we believe...
We could go on, but I hope you see the difference, and understand the point I made.

I didn't know Catholics viewed the Bible as "Hebrew folklore". May I ask, is this what is taught by the Bishops, and the Pope, or is this just the personal view of some Catholics?

When I want to find out about Jesus Christ and eternal salvation, then I go looking in the Bible. Above all it points to him, and that's my gospel.
I'm glad to hear that you go to the Bible to find out about Jesus Christ.
Some people believe the stories are fictional though. What is your view of what the Bible tells us about Jesus the Christ?
Do you believe he is the son of God, and came from the realm of the supernatural?

As for the earth lasting forever, Saint Peter didn't think so.
It might be better, to read that text, in St. Peter's original tongue, because evidently, it's not him that didn't think so, but the translators of his words.
You can get the Greek here.

Shows how careful we need to be, doesn't it.
Did you notice how they inserted [οὐχ] so that it reads, "Earth and the works in it, will [not] be found / discovered?"
We have to be so careful of translations.

Laid bare, I suppose can past, as meaning discovered, or found especially after searching. Greek: heuriskó.
So, Peter does say, "earth and its works will be laid bare / found / discovered", because Peter knew what he talking about.
He is talking about judgment of the ungodly, and he compared this judgment to the one in Noah's day, where there were heavens and earth that perished.

We know the planet earth in Noah's day was not destroyed, so since Peter was referring to the wicked people then, he is referring to the wicked people now, as the earth that will be laid bare.
The physical heavens in Noah's day, did not drown, so we know peter was referring to figurative heavens then, as he is referring to now.

It's not difficult to understand Peter, and thankfully we can check his words in his original tongue, so that we identify the translations that twist his words to "will not be found", or "will be burned up" (KJV).
Some even paraphrase with "heavenly bodies" (ESV).
Sad. They mislead so many people in the churches today who seem so obsessed with burning. They seem to want God to just burn. Even the Lake of Fire, they want to be literal fire, to roast people.
I guess that's what happens, when we are taught these things from the time we can say, "mama".

I was taught the whole hellfire doctrine too, but studying the Bible, has helped millions to know better.
Thanks to God.
That's another topic though.

If Peter is referring to the literal heavens and literal earth, then the literal heavens and literal earth, in Noah's day, actually perished,
However, we know this is not the case.
 
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The word 'forever' may not mean what you think it means...

First, the Hebrew word is olam. The word itself simply means "long duration," "antiquity," "futurity," "until the end of a period of time." That period of time is determined by the context. Sometimes it is the length of a man's life, sometimes it is an age, and sometimes it is a dispensation.

The phrase "may not" suggest "may be".
Is there any reason you think forever in those verses does not mean forever?
Also, since the word "earth" does not always refer to the physical earth, why do you not take it as figurative, at 2 Peter 3?
 
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It doesn't? That's a surprise to me.
What is Genesis 1:2, 9, 10 saying?
2 The earth was without form, and void; and darkness was on the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God was hovering over the face of the waters.
9 Then God said, “Let the waters under the heavens be gathered together into one place, and let the dry land appear”; and it was so. 10 And God called the dry land Earth, and the gathering together of the waters He called Seas. And God saw that it was good.

These verses are describing the earth (land/ground) God created in Genesis 1:1 and this earth being covered in water.
Then God begans to restore (Genesis1:3) the earth God created in Genesis 1:1 for the human (Adam/Eve) He (God) will create.

So after separating the waters with the raqia (dome,expanse,sky) God brings forth a single piece of circular dry land and God calls this circular dry land earth. Which is surrounded by water Let the waters under the heavens be gathered together into one place

These verses are not describing the creation of a sphere earth. The idea of a sphere water covered earth is being read into Genesis 1 creation account. Not because of The Bible descriptions, but because of science's fabricated account of what was to have supposed to have evolved or came about over millions of years.
 
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Some persons believe God will destroy planet earth. What do you believe?
At Revelation 11:18, we read that God's time to bring an end to those who are destroying the earth, is near.
Since God promised to destroy those who are destroying the earth, he obviously cares about this beautiful planet he created and gave to mankind. Psalm 115:16
It is likely that the verse was referring to the human and/or the natural world on Earth, rather than the planet itself. To say otherwise would contradict Ecclesiastes 1:4.
 
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Some persons believe God will destroy planet earth. What do you believe?
At Revelation 11:18, we read that God's time to bring an end to those who are destroying the earth, is near.
Since God promised to destroy those who are destroying the earth, he obviously cares about this beautiful planet he created and gave to mankind. Psalm 115:16
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Revelation 21:1-5:
Then I saw “a new heaven and a new earth,” for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away, and there was no longer any sea. 2 I saw the Holy City, the new Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God, prepared as a bride beautifully dressed for her husband. 3 And I heard a loud voice from the throne saying, “Look! God’s dwelling place is now among the people, and he will dwell with them. They will be his people, and God himself will be with them and be their God. 4 ‘He will wipe every tear from their eyes. There will be no more death or mourning or crying or pain, for the old order of things has passed away.”

Hope this helps.
 
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These verses are describing the earth (land/ground) God created in Genesis 1:1 and this earth being covered in water.
It's describing this earth - our planet earth, which at that time, was formless and void, and darkness covered the deep waters. Genesis 1:2.
Is that what you are saying? I agree with that.
What are the heavens God created? Genesis 1:1

Then God begans to restore (Genesis1:3) the earth God created in Genesis 1:1 for the human (Adam/Eve) He (God) will create.
Yes, God began to make the earrh habitable. It began to take form, with land rising above the water's surface, having seed to produce vegetation of great variety to feed the "guests" that would soon arrive. Genesis 1:9-11

So after separating the waters with the raqia (dome,expanse,sky) God brings forth a single piece of circular dry land and God calls this circular dry land earth. Which is surrounded by water Let the waters under the heavens be gathered together into one place
Interesting.
Have you been able to convince anyone you mentioned this to, that this is actually what we read in Genesis 1?
Did anyone ask you to point out where in the text, you could find where 'God brings forth a single piece of circular dry land'?


These verses are not describing the creation of a sphere earth. The idea of a sphere water covered earth is being read into Genesis 1 creation account. Not because of The Bible descriptions, but because of science's fabricated account of what was to have supposed to have evolved or came about over millions of years.
The Bible does not tell us what shape the earth is, in Genesis 1, but we know it was spherical for a couple of reasons.
Logically, deep waters covering the earth's surface need to be held in place, on the earth. There is no mention of the waters being contained in a "basin like structure".
The book of Isaiah tells us that the earth is spherical. Isaiah 40:22

Scientists came along and discovered this.
The Bible was written long before this discovery.
Actually, much of what scientists have discovered only recently, had been written down centuries ago, in the Bible.
For example, long before it was discovered that the earth was not being held up in space by anything, it was recorded in the book of Job. Job 26:7
 
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It is likely that the verse was referring to the human and/or the natural world on Earth, rather than the planet itself. To say otherwise would contradict Ecclesiastes 1:4.
In order to remove that contradiction, some take the position that "forever" in that verse, and orthers, mean an indefinite period, rather than the earth being used figuratively in 2 Peter 3.
I think the scriptures clearly, remove any idea that earth at 2 Peter 3, is literal, but what's your response to that?
 
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Revelation 21:1-5:
Then I saw “a new heaven and a new earth,” for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away, and there was no longer any sea. 2 I saw the Holy City, the new Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God, prepared as a bride beautifully dressed for her husband. 3 And I heard a loud voice from the throne saying, “Look! God’s dwelling place is now among the people, and he will dwell with them. They will be his people, and God himself will be with them and be their God. 4 ‘He will wipe every tear from their eyes. There will be no more death or mourning or crying or pain, for the old order of things has passed away.”

Hope this helps.
Some persons believe this scripture is referring to the physical heavens and earth being created again from scratch, and God removing the sea.
However, don't you see heaps of problems with that belief?

  1. For one thing, God rested on the seventh day from his creative works. The seventh day does not end until after the millennial reign of 1,000 years. So, how do persons enter into God's rest, if he starts a new work before the end of that day?
  2. Would God not prove to be incompetent, and not so wise, if he has to destroy his amazing creation of heavens and earth, which after looking at it, said it was very good, only to again recreate the heavens, and earth... and the wonderful seas so vast, and teeming with life, which he made "bars" for he now sees no need for? No more fish?
  3. How does the heavens and earth flee away from God, in Revelation 20:11, if these are literal?

There are a few others, I'm sure, but what's your response to these?
 
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It's describing this earth - our planet earth, which at that time, was formless and void, and darkness covered the deep waters. Genesis 1:2.
Is that what you are saying? I agree with that.
What are the heavens God created? Genesis 1:1


Yes, God began to make the earrh habitable. It began to take form, with land rising above the water's surface, having seed to produce vegetation of great variety to feed the "guests" that would soon arrive. Genesis 1:9-11


Interesting.
Have you been able to convince anyone you mentioned this to, that this is actually what we read in Genesis 1?
Did anyone ask you to point out where in the text, you could find where 'God brings forth a single piece of circular dry land'?



The Bible does not tell us what shape the earth is, in Genesis 1, but we know it was spherical for a couple of reasons.
Logically, deep waters covering the earth's surface need to be held in place, on the earth. There is no mention of the waters being contained in a "basin like structure".
The book of Isaiah tells us that the earth is spherical. Isaiah 40:22

Scientists came along and discovered this.
The Bible was written long before this discovery.
Actually, much of what scientists have discovered only recently, had been written down centuries ago, in the Bible.
For example, long before it was discovered that the earth was not being held up in space by anything, it was recorded in the book of Job. Job 26:7


Job 26:7 has no other support in The Bible for being translated the way the verse currently reads. The English translation that has support from The Bible is:

"He spreadeth out the North over the desolate' place (the abyss of waters), and supporteth the earth upon fastenings."
 
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Job 26:7 has no other support in The Bible for being translated the way the verse currently reads. The English translation that has support from The Bible is:

"He spreadeth out the North over the desolate' place (the abyss of waters), and supporteth the earth upon fastenings."
I'm not sure what you mean by "no other support in The Bible". Perhaps you can explain.

What's the name of this English translation, and who authored it.
I can't find any reference to that quote online, and neither can I find any reference to the Hebrew word Belimah, meaning 'fastenings'

How does an English translation that does not correctly translate a Hebrew word, have support from the Bible?
The Hebrew word belimah (בְּלִימָה) does not mean fastenings, but rather nothingness.
 
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I'm sure no Christian would ever say God is foolish, but are we not implying this when we say,...
God created the earth just right for man - very good (Genesis 1:31), and to sustain life, bringing him glory (Psalm 8:1-9); preserved the earth to be re-inhabited, by saving mankind, and animal life in an ark; promised not to ever ruin the earth on account of man, since man's heart is inclined to bad (Genesis 8:21, 22); promised to destroy those who are destroying the earth (Revelation 11:18); promised to give the earth to the righteous (Psalm 37:10, 11, 29; Matthew 5:5)...
then turns around and destroys the earth, and makes a new one - without any sea for sea creatures (no beautiful dolphins).
The implication of that is God has no intelligence, and is this not what the Devil would have us think?
 
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I'm not sure what you mean by "no other support in The Bible". Perhaps you can explain.

What's the name of this English translation, and who authored it.
I can't find any reference to that quote online, and neither can I find any reference to the Hebrew word Belimah, meaning 'fastenings'

How does an English translation that does not correctly translate a Hebrew word, have support from the Bible?
The Hebrew word belimah (בְּלִימָה) does not mean fastenings, but rather nothingness.

There are no other verse supporting Job 26:7 to be translated this way.

Hang which is the Hebrew word teleh

Means to hang, suspend, or support by actual contact. never to hang on nothing: thus, to give a few instances/examples

Genesis 40:19 Within three days Pharaoh will lift off your head from you and hang you on a tree; and the birds will eat your flesh from you.”

Psalms 137:2 We hung our harps Upon the willows in the midst of it.

Ezekiel 15:3 Is wood taken from it to make any object? Or can men make a peg from it to hang any vessel on?

Job 26:7 using (supporteth the Earth upon fastenings (foundations))." is supported by other areas of The Bible as a few times God states in The Bible, the earth is set upon foundations.

Job 38:4 “Where were you when I laid the foundations of the earth? Tell Me, if you have understanding.

Job 38:6 To what were its foundations fastened? Or who laid its cornerstone,

Psalms 104:5 You who laid the foundations of the earth, So that it should not be moved forever,

But the word belimeh wrongly translated "nothing" is the crucial word. Our translators appear to have derived it from the noun blee, signifying consumption or desolation, and the pronoun meh, who which what, but the meaning "nothing" drawn from these words, seems to be very far fetched. Hebrew is a very ancient language, to all probability the most ancient of any, and this being the only place in the Bible where the word belimeh occurs, it is, of course, difficult to test the meaning. I have myself, however, not the slightest doubt, that Parkhurst is right in deriving the noun belimeh from the verb belem, to confine, restrain, or hold in, so used in
Psalm 32:9 Do not be like the horse or like the mule, Which have no understanding, Which must be harnessed(belem) with bit and bridle, Else they will not come near you.
and that belimeh simply means "fastenings," or "supports," and this interpretation exactly agrees with what JEHOVAH asked Job a little farther on in

Job 38:6 To what were its foundations fastened? Or who laid its cornerstone

So verse like Job 38:6 support Job 26:7 to be translated from the Hebrew as
"He spreadeth out the North over the desolate' place (the abyss of waters), and supporteth the Earth upon
fastenings."


And not, hang on nothing, as there is no other verse supporting this "hang on nothing"
 
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There are no other verse supporting Job 26:7 to be translated this way.

Hang which is the Hebrew word teleh

Means to hang, suspend, or support by actual contact. never to hang on nothing: thus, to give a few instances/examples

Genesis 40:19 Within three days Pharaoh will lift off your head from you and hang you on a tree; and the birds will eat your flesh from you.”

Psalms 137:2 We hung our harps Upon the willows in the midst of it.

Ezekiel 15:3 Is wood taken from it to make any object? Or can men make a peg from it to hang any vessel on?

Job 26:7 using (supporteth the Earth upon fastenings (foundations))." is supported by other areas of The Bible as a few times God states in The Bible, the earth is set upon foundations.

Job 38:4 “Where were you when I laid the foundations of the earth? Tell Me, if you have understanding.

Job 38:6 To what were its foundations fastened? Or who laid its cornerstone,

Psalms 104:5 You who laid the foundations of the earth, So that it should not be moved forever,

But the word belimeh wrongly translated "nothing" is the crucial word. Our translators appear to have derived it from the noun blee, signifying consumption or desolation, and the pronoun meh, who which what, but the meaning "nothing" drawn from these words, seems to be very far fetched. Hebrew is a very ancient language, to all probability the most ancient of any, and this being the only place in the Bible where the word belimeh occurs, it is, of course, difficult to test the meaning. I have myself, however, not the slightest doubt, that Parkhurst is right in deriving the noun belimeh from the verb belem, to confine, restrain, or hold in, so used in
Psalm 32:9 Do not be like the horse or like the mule, Which have no understanding, Which must be harnessed(belem) with bit and bridle, Else they will not come near you.
and that belimeh simply means "fastenings," or "supports," and this interpretation exactly agrees with what JEHOVAH asked Job a little farther on in

Job 38:6 To what were its foundations fastened? Or who laid its cornerstone

So verse like Job 38:6 support Job 26:7 to be translated from the Hebrew as
"He spreadeth out the North over the desolate' place (the abyss of waters), and supporteth the Earth upon
fastenings."


And not, hang on nothing, as there is no other verse supporting this "hang on nothing"
What other verses support Job 40:15?
Are you saying that every scripture in the Bible must have some reference to it, elsewhere?

"Hanging on nothing" is the same as "not being supported or held up by anything".
Persons familiar with hanging, will use the very familiar term with people who are very familiar with the term, as your quotes shows.
Similar to when Jesus use feeding - eating his flesh and drinking his blood, because the people were familiar with these terms, and it was actually foremost on their mind.

The word usage "hang" does not lend support to an argument on its usage, in that text.

Also @d taylor , thanks for showing that the word used in Job 26:7 is far different from the one used at Job 38:6.
The word fastened taba: to sink, sink down cannot be used to replace belimah: nothingness.
 
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Some persons believe this scripture is referring to the physical heavens and earth being created again from scratch, and God removing the sea.
However, don't you see heaps of problems with that belief?

  1. For one thing, God rested on the seventh day from his creative works. The seventh day does not end until after the millennial reign of 1,000 years. So, how do persons enter into God's rest, if he starts a new work before the end of that day?
  2. Would God not prove to be incompetent, and not so wise, if he has to destroy his amazing creation of heavens and earth, which after looking at it, said it was very good, only to again recreate the heavens, and earth... and the wonderful seas so vast, and teeming with life, which he made "bars" for he now sees no need for? No more fish?
  3. How does the heavens and earth flee away from God, in Revelation 20:11, if these are literal?

There are a few others, I'm sure, but what's your response to these?
I do not believe in a literal thousand year reign. This is figurative language proven by use of Scriptures to interpret the Revelation. I think I have already posted that interpretation to you.
God created the heavens and earth and rested on the seventh day and found it good. That seventh day represents to us the heavenly rest for His people for Canaan did not offer that rest...it was only symbolic of our eternal rest. God's plan to bring everything to this final and eternal conclusion with a new heaven are revealed to us in Isaiah and Revelation.
 
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I do not believe in a literal thousand year reign. This is figurative language proven by use of Scriptures to interpret the Revelation. I think I have already posted that interpretation to you.
God created the heavens and earth and rested on the seventh day and found it good. That seventh day represents to us the heavenly rest for His people for Canaan did not offer that rest...it was only symbolic of our eternal rest. God's plan to bring everything to this final and eternal conclusion with a new heaven are revealed to us in Isaiah and Revelation.
I think I have already posted that interpretation to you.
I don't recall. However, if you don't mind, please explain Hebrews 4:1-10. Thanks.
 
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