Is it more important for America to fund foreign wars or to secure our southern border?

Adam56 said:

Yes, you are. You are an atheist on a Christian forum for how many years now? And all you do is try to dominate politics discussions.

We get it, you’re butthurt the majority of Christians have been able to beat your atheist minority in elections (simple mathematics), but get over it.

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Ad hom.

Adam56 said:

He’s dodging the point. That’s what is annoying.

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No. You are trying to make a point but it relied on that poster saying something a certain way. He doesn't have the same outlook as you and so you're annoyed he's not making your point for you?

Adam56 said:

The point being that the only reason Ukraine has a remote chance is because they’re being assisted with the money from American taxpayers. If the US didn’t meddle, Ukraine wouldn’t stand a chance. It’s disgusting how America has to play the role of police officer around the world.

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For almost 150 years it was your guys' FAVOURITE role.

And frankly, it sounds REALLY like Republicans only ACTUALLY have a problem with being involved because it's against putin.

Adam56 said:

The point being that the only reason Ukraine has a remote chance is because they’re being assisted with the money from American taxpayers. If the US didn’t meddle, Ukraine wouldn’t stand a chance.

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The Russians could still withdraw.

Adam56 said:

It’s disgusting how America has to play the role of police officer around the world.

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It’s disgusting how Putin is playing the role of empire builder, he could withdraw his troops.

Adam56 said:

The point being that the only reason Ukraine has a remote chance is because they’re being assisted with the money from American taxpayers. If the US didn’t meddle, Ukraine wouldn’t stand a chance. It’s disgusting how America has to play the role of police officer around the world.

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So, from what I'm hearing, Putin should be able to attack and conquer any country weaker than he is?

It is also worth noting that the US is not playing the role of "police officer" -- if that was what they were doing there would be US troops on the ground directly fighting the Russian troops -- likely inside Russia. Instead, the US is providing aid to Ukraine, largely military aid, so that Ukraine can fight the Russians on more of an equal basis. Additionally, what the US is doing is little different than many Western nations, particularly European nations that are extremely concerned about Russian aggression.

Adam56 said:

Why should he?

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To save lives and out of respect for the sovereignty of Ukraine.

Adam56 said:

Don’t deflect about how our tax dollars are being used to help out port little Ukraine.

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I haven’t.

Adam56 said:

Why can’t they stand up for themselves and fight their own battles?

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Lack of resources, we’re helping on that point.

Adam56 said:

Why should he? Don’t deflect about how our tax dollars are being used to help out port little Ukraine. Why can’t they stand up for themselves and fight their own battles?

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They are standing up for themselves and fighting their own battle, we're just helping even the odds by helping with better equipment.

Actually, very few of our tax dollars -- as a whole -- are going to Ukraine. Instead, we are largely providing our old equipment to Ukraine, with replacements that were already scheduled that are newer and have better capabilities. Now, yes, we are aiding them with ammunition that we are having to replace (though, honestly, even some of that is older and needed to be replace due to being at its expiration date), though in those cases it is still ammunition built in the US. The fact is, 90% of the money "spent on Ukraine" is actually being spent in the US, for US goods. Even more interestingly, some of the equipment being provided by our European allies, such as the F-16s, are "aiding" the US -- as their replacements, the next generation fighter, is being sold to those allies after being built in the US.

Adam56 said:

The argument isn’t even that ridiculous. When Roe vs. Wade got overturned almost every internet atheist cried about how religion should stay out of politics.

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From here: Public Opinion on Abortion

'Currently, 61% say abortion should be legal in all or most cases...'

That was a couple of years ago. My guess would be that it's now at least 2/3. I'll let you work out the percentage of Christians.

And from here: People of All Religions Use Birth Control and Have Abortions

'In fact, research has consistently shown that the majority of people who obtain an abortion have a religious affiliation. According to the most recent Guttmacher Institute data, in 2014:

• 17% of abortion patients identified as mainline Protestant;
• 13% as evangelical Protestant;
• 24% as Catholic;

I think that you should work on your in-house problems before you start complaining about the 3 or 4% of the population who class themselves as atheists.

Adam56 said:

If we offered no help, it’s likely they would have forfeited early, all we’ve done is cause more deaths.

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Such a compelling argument: Don't fight to protect your country - it's dangerous. Give up instead.

Adam56 said:

AKA: we are coddling the country who would otherwise be destroyed on their own.

If we offered no help, it’s likely they would have forfeited early, all we’ve done is cause more deaths.

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So, Might makes Right? We should attack Canada and take it over, because we can and there is no one that can stop us? At the same time, we can cede all of Europe to Russia, all of Asia to China, and just have the three superpower countries controlling the world?

At what point is it okay to "cause more deaths" in defense of a nation?

Bradskii said:

Such a compelling argument: Don't fight to protect your country - it's dangerous. Give up instead.

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Throwing yourself and your country on the tender mercies of the Russians. A country well known for treating prisoners and the conquered well after capitulation.

Adam56 said:

Europe shouldn’t give in to Russia though (well Ukraine should though.)

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Any other countries in Europe that should give up when facing invasion or just Ukraine?

Adam56 said:

Catholics get more abortions. I grew up catholic, am Protestant now. Catholics are the ones who are “supposed” to be more pro-life, quite an oddity.

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What is important to remember is that a whole lot of people who describe themselves as Catholic are nominal Catholics at best; unlike Evangelicals who, if they quit being Evangelical, normally stop referring to themselves as such and find a more liberal church, Catholics who basically quit believing in Catholicism in any practical sense often still refer to themselves as Catholic. I would be curious about what the abortion data is when you compare Catholics who go to church on a weekly basis with those that don't.

Adam56 said:

AKA: we are coddling the country who would otherwise be destroyed on their own.

If we offered no help, it’s likely they would have forfeited early, all we’ve done is cause more deaths.

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Ukraine neutralized and started reversing the initial spring 2022 Russian invasion, repelled Russia from the Kyiv and northern areas, and reversed the Russian campaign towards Odesa at Mykolaiv all before getting substantial Western military aid (especially US equipment).