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I was responding to the claim by Arsenios that the majority of patriarchs were against Rome. I don't think he was arguing for Islam.

Does this mean that you agree with me that the civilization of the Roman Empire based in Constantinople at the time of the Schism outnumbered the Latin Church's Dark-Age's population? Most assuredly, Ecclesiastically speaking, regarding the 5 great Apostolic Sees, Rome was the Apostate Odd-Man-Out... She was unable to subjugate the Body of Christ under Her false claim of Papal Supremacy OVER the Body of Christ Who IS Her Head, and She proceeded to conduct operations to subject the Body of Christ to the very human will of Her Papal Supremacist...

On the first question, I don't know - I throw it out there... No census takers those days...

But your lack of refutation of the second should earn me either your curse or your gratitude...

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I was responding to the claim by Arsenios that the majority of patriarchs were against Rome. I don't think he was arguing for Islam.

My claim was not that they were against Rome, but that they considered Rome's actions APOSTATE and wrong...

And they still do to this very day and hour...

A fallen and human Latin Patriarch is not the Head of the Body of Christ on earth...
Nor does the Holy Spirit ontologically proceed from the Son...

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Does this mean that you agree with me that the civilization of the Roman Empire based in Constantinople at the time of the Schism outnumbered the Latin Church's Dark-Age's population?

What I meant is that if you're going to say 4 patriarchs were opposed to papal supremacy versus only 1 in favor of it then I could just as easily say Rome has more followers than Orthodoxy now. My point is that it doesn't matter how many people are for or against something.


Most assuredly, Ecclesiastically speaking, regarding the 5 great Apostolic Sees, Rome was the Apostate Odd-Man-Out... She was unable to subjugate the Body of Christ under Her false claim of Papal Supremacy OVER the Body of Christ Who IS Her Head, and She proceeded to conduct operations to subject the Body of Christ to the very human will of Her Papal Supremacist...

On the first question, I don't know - I throw it out there... No census takers those days...

But your lack of refutation of the second should earn me either your curse or your gratitude...

Arsenios

I posted to explain why Rome starting calling themselves the RCC after the schism. As far as which side was right, Rome or the 4 patriarchs, I don't know. I found some convincing quotes that appeared to teach papal supremacy but ArmyMatt was able to refute them so I don't know what to believe as I haven't yet been convinced either way.
 
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What I meant is that if you're going to say 4 patriarchs were opposed to papal supremacy versus only 1 in favor of it then I could just as easily say Rome has more followers than Orthodoxy now. My point is that it doesn't matter how many people are for or against something.

I posted to explain why Rome starting calling themselves the RCC after the schism. As far as which side was right, Rome or the 4 patriarchs, I don't know. I found some convincing quotes that appeared to teach papal supremacy but ArmyMatt was able to refute them so I don't know what to believe as I haven't yet been convinced either way.

Great answer!

Forgive my pushing you...

I misunderstood you to be defending Latin Papalism by your arguments...

The Church has never once in the entire history of the Christian Faith endorsed the supremacy of any Patriarch over anyone outside his own geographical See... Indeed, there are Canons forbidding it...

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Some of the Apostles were married as I believe Peter was, so how do you explain priests being not married? Did they just make that one up? And look at how many problems this has caused. God does not want people lusting after others.

The celibate priesthood is a discipline not a doctrine. There are married Catholic priests but that is not the norm.

Jesus and Paul both said that it is better for the sake of the Kingdom to remain unmarried if that is your calling.
 
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So if we are right, the name: "Roman Catholic Church" did not exist prior to the Great Schism...



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As far as I know it didn't exist until the Reformation when it was used as an insult.

The Church was called the Catholic Church. There was only one Church for centuries until some in the east left.
 
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St. Maximus the Confessor (c. 650)
A celebrated theologian and a native of Constantinople

The extremities of the earth, and everyone in every part of it who purely and rightly confess the Lord, look directly towards the Most Holy Roman Church and her confession and faith, as to a sun of unfailing light awaiting from her the brilliant radiance of the sacred dogmas of our Fathers, according to that which the inspired and holy Councils have stainlessly and piously decreed. For, from the descent of the Incarnate Word amongst us, all the churches in every part of the world have held the greatest Church alone to be their base and foundation, seeing that, according to the promise of Christ Our Savior, the gates of hell will never prevail against her, that she has the keys of the orthodox confession and right faith in Him, that she opens the true and exclusive religion to such men as approach with piety, and she shuts up and locks every heretical mouth which speaks against the Most High. (Maximus, Opuscula theologica et polemica, Migne, Patr. Graec. vol. 90)

How much more in the case of the clergy and Church of the Romans, which from old until now presides over all the churches which are under the sun? Having surely received this canonically, as well as from councils and the apostles, as from the princes of the latter (Peter and Paul), and being numbered in their company, she is subject to no writings or issues in synodical documents, on account of the eminence of her pontificate .....even as in all these things all are equally subject to her (the Church of Rome) according to sacerodotal law. And so when, without fear, but with all holy and becoming confidence, those ministers (the popes) are of the truly firm and immovable rock, that is of the most great and Apostolic Church of Rome. (Maximus, in J.B. Mansi, ed. Amplissima Collectio Conciliorum, vol. 10)

John VI, Patriarch of Constantinople (715)

The Pope of Rome, the head of the Christian priesthood, whom in Peter, the Lord commanded to confirm his brethren. (John VI, Epist. ad Constantin. Pap. ad. Combefis, Auctuar. Bibl. P.P. Graec.tom. ii. p. 211, seq.)
St. Nicephorus, Patriarch of Constantinople (758-828)

Without whom (the Romans presiding in the seventh Council) a doctrine brought forward in the Church could not, even though confirmed by canonical decrees and by ecclesiastical usuage, ever obtain full approval or currency. For it is they (the Popes of Rome) who have had assigned to them the rule in sacred things, and who have received into their hands the dignity of headship among the Apostles. (Nicephorus, Niceph. Cpl. pro. s. imag. c 25 [Mai N. Bibl. pp. ii. 30]).
St. Theodore the Studite of Constantinople (759-826)

Writing to Pope Leo III:
Since to great Peter Christ our Lord gave the office of Chief Shepherd after entrusting him with the keys of the Kingdom of Heaven, to Peter or his successor must of necessity every novelty in the Catholic Church be referred. [Therefore], save us, oh most divine Head of Heads, Chief Shepherd of the Church of Heaven. (Theodore, Bk. I. Ep. 23)

Writing to Pope Paschal:
Hear, O Apostolic Head, divinely-appointed Shepherd of Christ's sheep, keybearer of the Kingdom of Heaven, Rock of the Faith upon whom the Catholic Church is built. For Peter art thou, who adornest and governest the Chair of Peter. Hither, then, from the West, imitator of Christ, arise and repel not for ever (Ps. xliii. 23). To thee spake Christ our Lord: 'And thou being one day converted, shalt strengthen thy brethren.' Behold the hour and the place. Help us, thou that art set by God for this. Stretch forth thy hand so far as thou canst. Thou hast strength with God, through being the first of all. (Letter of St. Theodore and four other Abbots to Pope Paschal, Bk. ii Ep. 12, Patr. Graec. 99, 1152-3)

Writing to Emperor Michael:
Order that the declaration from old Rome be received, as was the custom by Tradition of our Fathers from of old and from the beginning. For this, O Emperor, is the highests of the Churches of God, in which first Peter held the Chair, to whom the Lord said: Thou art Peter ...and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it. (Theodore, Bk. II. Ep. 86)

Sergius, Metropolitain of Cyprus (649)

Writing to Pope Theodore:
O Holy Head, Christ our God hath destined thy Apostolic See to be an immovable foundation and a pillar of the Faith. For thou art, as the Divine Word truly saith, Peter, and on thee as a foundation-stone have the pillars of the Church been fixed. (Sergius Ep. ad Theod. lecta in Sess. ii. Concil. Lat. anno 649)
 
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St. Maximus the Confessor (c. 650)
A celebrated theologian and a native of Constantinople

The extremities of the earth, and everyone in every part of it who purely and rightly confess the Lord, look directly towards the Most Holy Roman Church and her confession and faith, as to a sun of unfailing light awaiting from her the brilliant radiance of the sacred dogmas of our Fathers, according to that which the inspired and holy Councils have stainlessly and piously decreed. For, from the descent of the Incarnate Word amongst us, all the churches in every part of the world have held the greatest Church alone to be their base and foundation, seeing that, according to the promise of Christ Our Savior, the gates of hell will never prevail against her, that she has the keys of the orthodox confession and right faith in Him, that she opens the true and exclusive religion to such men as approach with piety, and she shuts up and locks every heretical mouth which speaks against the Most High. (Maximus, Opuscula theologica et polemica, Migne, Patr. Graec. vol. 90)

How much more in the case of the clergy and Church of the Romans, which from old until now presides over all the churches which are under the sun? Having surely received this canonically, as well as from councils and the apostles, as from the princes of the latter (Peter and Paul), and being numbered in their company, she is subject to no writings or issues in synodical documents, on account of the eminence of her pontificate .....even as in all these things all are equally subject to her (the Church of Rome) according to sacerodotal law. And so when, without fear, but with all holy and becoming confidence, those ministers (the popes) are of the truly firm and immovable rock, that is of the most great and Apostolic Church of Rome. (Maximus, in J.B. Mansi, ed. Amplissima Collectio Conciliorum, vol. 10)

John VI, Patriarch of Constantinople (715)

The Pope of Rome, the head of the Christian priesthood, whom in Peter, the Lord commanded to confirm his brethren. (John VI, Epist. ad Constantin. Pap. ad. Combefis, Auctuar. Bibl. P.P. Graec.tom. ii. p. 211, seq.)
St. Nicephorus, Patriarch of Constantinople (758-828)

Without whom (the Romans presiding in the seventh Council) a doctrine brought forward in the Church could not, even though confirmed by canonical decrees and by ecclesiastical usuage, ever obtain full approval or currency. For it is they (the Popes of Rome) who have had assigned to them the rule in sacred things, and who have received into their hands the dignity of headship among the Apostles. (Nicephorus, Niceph. Cpl. pro. s. imag. c 25 [Mai N. Bibl. pp. ii. 30]).
St. Theodore the Studite of Constantinople (759-826)

Writing to Pope Leo III:
Since to great Peter Christ our Lord gave the office of Chief Shepherd after entrusting him with the keys of the Kingdom of Heaven, to Peter or his successor must of necessity every novelty in the Catholic Church be referred. [Therefore], save us, oh most divine Head of Heads, Chief Shepherd of the Church of Heaven. (Theodore, Bk. I. Ep. 23)

Writing to Pope Paschal:
Hear, O Apostolic Head, divinely-appointed Shepherd of Christ's sheep, keybearer of the Kingdom of Heaven, Rock of the Faith upon whom the Catholic Church is built. For Peter art thou, who adornest and governest the Chair of Peter. Hither, then, from the West, imitator of Christ, arise and repel not for ever (Ps. xliii. 23). To thee spake Christ our Lord: 'And thou being one day converted, shalt strengthen thy brethren.' Behold the hour and the place. Help us, thou that art set by God for this. Stretch forth thy hand so far as thou canst. Thou hast strength with God, through being the first of all. (Letter of St. Theodore and four other Abbots to Pope Paschal, Bk. ii Ep. 12, Patr. Graec. 99, 1152-3)

Writing to Emperor Michael:
Order that the declaration from old Rome be received, as was the custom by Tradition of our Fathers from of old and from the beginning. For this, O Emperor, is the highests of the Churches of God, in which first Peter held the Chair, to whom the Lord said: Thou art Peter ...and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it. (Theodore, Bk. II. Ep. 86)

Sergius, Metropolitain of Cyprus (649)

Writing to Pope Theodore:
O Holy Head, Christ our God hath destined thy Apostolic See to be an immovable foundation and a pillar of the Faith. For thou art, as the Divine Word truly saith, Peter, and on thee as a foundation-stone have the pillars of the Church been fixed. (Sergius Ep. ad Theod. lecta in Sess. ii. Concil. Lat. anno 649)
Back to quote mines, are we?
 
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Back to quote mines, are we?

You nor any of your other Orthodox brothers have refuted these quotes.

Isn't it telling that earlier eastern partriarchs shared the current views of the Catholic Church.

I think it helps us see who actually left whom.
 
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You nor any of your other Orthodox brothers have refuted these quotes.
It takes time and effort to put them in their textual and historical context. All you had to do was copy and paste them from one of a dozen Catholic quote mines.
Isn't it telling that earlier eastern partriarchs shared the current views of the Catholic Church.
Dig deeper. You will find similar statements made about other bishops outside of Rome. Those who were deserving of respect and honor often had much praise heaped upon them. None of the praise was ever taken as dogmatic statements, although it seems the popes started to believe it was.
I think it helps us see who actually left whom.
Absolutely. Read the litany of false charges made by Cardinal Humbert against Patriarch Michael in the Bull of Excommunication. Then consider that subsequent Popes supported the same. Lord have mercy.
 
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Dig deeper. You will find similar statements made about other bishops outside of Rome. Those who were deserving of respect and honor often had much praise heaped upon them. None of the praise was ever taken as dogmatic statements, although it seems the popes started to believe it was.

If there are statements that tell us that another apostle other than Peter was leader of the Church or that another bishop ruled the Church I would like to see them.
 
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If there are statements that tell us that another apostle other than Peter was leader of the Church or that another bishop ruled the Church I would like to see them.

Christ is the Head of His Body, the Church - So you will find no such quote claiming that ANY Bishop RULES Christ's very Own Body... Bishops are first and foremost SERVANTS and SLAVES of the Church... They are NOT PRINCES and RULERS...

That particular Bull from your Papalist Pope, however, if I recall it aright, condemned the Church in Constantinople for the CRIME of having DELETED from the Symbol of the Faith the very WORD which had ALWAYS been there from the very beginnings of Christianity...

And this should be a lesson in humility, but it is long since lost on Papalist self-importance...

That WORD, which the Pope accused the Patriarch of OMITTING from the Nicene Creed...

That WORD was FILIOQUE...

And THAT word is not now and has never been in the Creed of Nicea...

Did you even KNOW that this was in the Bull of Excommunication sent froth from your infallible Pope by two Cardinals who marched into a Divine Liturgy in Constantinople and desecrated the very Altar of the Body and Blood of our Most Holy Lord and Master Jesus Christ by interrupting the Divine Service and slapping down this impertinent Heretical and false charge?

Ignorant bullies do not get to be the Boss of Christ's Body...

The serving clergy there begged them not to do what they did...

To no avail...

That is what kicked it off, you see...

A FALSE CHARGE by your INERRANT Pope...

Who later recanted...

Not many Roman Catholics even KNOW this story...

And those who do, don't care...

And those who do care, become Orthodox...

Primacy is not about RULE...

It is about MARTYRDOM...

As almost all of the early Latin Popes demonstrated...

And none of them did after the Bull of this Pope...

Rome was the shining Star for the first thousand years...

To be Pope was to be martyred in Glory...

Second thousand years unto now, not at all...

Arsenios
 
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Christ is the Head of His Body, the Church - So you will find no such quote claiming that ANY Bishop RULES Christ's very Won Body... Bishops are first and foremost SERVANTS and SLAVES of the Church... They are NOT PRINCES and RULERS...

That particular Bull from your Papalist Pope, however, if I recall it aright, condemned the Church in Constantinople for the CRIME of having DELETED from the Symbol of the Faith the very WORD which had ALWAYS been there from the very beginnings of Christianity...

And this should be a lesson in humility, but it is long since lost on Papalist self-importance...

That WORD, which the Pope accused the Patriarch of OMITTING from the Nicene Creed...

That WORD was FILIOQUE...

And THAT word is not now and has never been in the Creed of Nicea...

Did you even KNOW that this was in the Bull of Excommunication sent froth from your infallible Pope by two Cardinals who marched into a Divine Liturgy in Constantinople and desecrated the very Altar of the Body and Blood of our Most Holy Lord and Master Jesus Christ by interrupting the Divine Service and slapping down this impertinent Heretical and false charge?

Ignorant bullies do not get to be the Boss of Christ's Body...

The serving clergy there begged them not to do what they did...

To no avail...

That is what kicked it off, you see...

A FALSE CHARGE by your INERRANT Pope...

Who later recanted...

Not many Roman Catholics even KNOW this story...

And those who do, don't care...

And those who do care, become Orthodox...

Primacy is not about RULE...

It is about MARTYRDOM...

As almost all of the early Latin Popes demonstrated...

And none of them did after the Bull of this Pope...

Rome was the shining Star for the first thousand years...

To be Pope was to be martyred in Glory...

Second thousand years unto now, not at all...

Arsenios


In other words, you have no such statement, just a long series of evasions.

Jesus gave Peter alone the keys the Kingdom. The early Church repeatedly stated that the successor was leader of the Church and the source for Christian unity.
 
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You have ... a long series of evasions.
Jesus gave Peter alone the keys the Kingdom.

Christ gave the Keys to ALL the Apostles...

Do I need to show you the Scripture where He did so??

Arsenios
 
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St. Maximus the Confessor (c. 650)
A celebrated theologian and a native of Constantinople

The extremities of the earth, and everyone in every part of it who purely and rightly confess the Lord, look directly towards the Most Holy Roman Church and her confession and faith, as to a sun of unfailing light awaiting from her the brilliant radiance of the sacred dogmas of our Fathers, according to that which the inspired and holy Councils have stainlessly and piously decreed. For, from the descent of the Incarnate Word amongst us, all the churches in every part of the world have held the greatest Church alone to be their base and foundation, seeing that, according to the promise of Christ Our Savior, the gates of hell will never prevail against her, that she has the keys of the orthodox confession and right faith in Him, that she opens the true and exclusive religion to such men as approach with piety, and she shuts up and locks every heretical mouth which speaks against the Most High. (Maximus, Opuscula theologica et polemica, Migne, Patr. Graec. vol. 90)

I had a tough time researching the quote but here is what I found:

The source you quoted "Opuscula theologica et polemica" is Latin for “Short Theological and Polemical Treatises” that contains fragments of Maximus' writings translated into Latin.

Some context:
Maximus wrote during the monothelite controversy. The Emperor forbade discussion on the number of wills in Christ and most of the East acquiesced to the Emperer's will to not discuss it so Maximus sought support in Rome. Pope Martin held a synod that condemned monothelitism. Maximus wrote those glowing words of the Church of Rome (not the bishop of Rome) after receiving support from that Lateran Synod. After the synod, the Emperor had Pope Martin exiled for sedition and Maximus for heresy so Rome's support of Maximus was no small matter.

Source: "The Ecclesiology of Saint Maximos the Confessor" by ANDREW LOUTH International Journal for the Study of the Christian Church i j Routledge Vol. 4, No. 2, July 2004, 109-120

More quotes by Maximus the Confessor:

Maximus' discussion with the Monothelites:

"During the first imprisonment of the Saint, the messengers from the Ecumenical Patriarch asked him, "To which church do you belong? To that of Byzantium, of Rome, Antioch, Alexandria, or Jerusalem? For all these churches, together with the provinces in subjection to them, are in unity. Therefore, if you also belong to the Catholic Church, enter into communion with us at once, lest fashioning for yourself some new and strange pathway, you fall into that which you do not even expect!"

To this the righteous man wisely replied, "Christ the Lord called that Church the Catholic Church which maintains the true and saving confession of the Faith. It was for this confession that He called Peter blessed, and He declared that He would found His Church upon this confession. However, I wish to know the contents of your confession, on the basis of which all churches, as you say, have entered into communion. If it is not opposed to the truth, then neither will I be separated from it."

Further discussion:

"But what will you do," inquired the envoys, "when the Romans are united to the Byzantines? Yesterday, indeed, two delegates arrived from Rome and tomorrow, the Lord's day, they will communicate the Holy Mysteries with the Patriarch."

The Saint replied, "Even if the whole universe holds communion with the Patriarch, I will not communicate with him. For I know from the writings of the holy Apostle Paul: the Holy Spirit declares that even the angels would be anathema if they should begin to preach another Gospel, introducing some new teaching."

Source: "From From The Life of Our Holy Father St. Maximus the Confessor" (Boston: Holy Transfiguration, 1982), pp. 60-62 quoted from orthodox.net
 
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I had a tough time researching the quote but here is what I found:

The source you quoted "Opuscula theologica et polemica" is Latin for “Short Theological and Polemical Treatises” that contains fragments of Maximus' writings translated into Latin.

Some context:
Maximus wrote during the monothelite controversy. The Emperor forbade discussion on the number of wills in Christ and most of the East acquiesced to the Emperer's will to not discuss it so Maximus sought support in Rome. Pope Martin held a synod that condemned monothelitism. Maximus wrote those glowing words of the Church of Rome (not the bishop of Rome) after receiving support from that Lateran Synod. After the synod, the Emperor had Pope Martin exiled for sedition and Maximus for heresy so Rome's support of Maximus was no small matter.

Source: "The Ecclesiology of Saint Maximos the Confessor" by ANDREW LOUTH International Journal for the Study of the Christian Church i j Routledge Vol. 4, No. 2, July 2004, 109-120

More quotes by Maximus the Confessor:

Maximus' discussion with the Monothelites:

"During the first imprisonment of the Saint, the messengers from the Ecumenical Patriarch asked him, "To which church do you belong? To that of Byzantium, of Rome, Antioch, Alexandria, or Jerusalem? For all these churches, together with the provinces in subjection to them, are in unity. Therefore, if you also belong to the Catholic Church, enter into communion with us at once, lest fashioning for yourself some new and strange pathway, you fall into that which you do not even expect!"

To this the righteous man wisely replied, "Christ the Lord called that Church the Catholic Church which maintains the true and saving confession of the Faith. It was for this confession that He called Peter blessed, and He declared that He would found His Church upon this confession. However, I wish to know the contents of your confession, on the basis of which all churches, as you say, have entered into communion. If it is not opposed to the truth, then neither will I be separated from it."

Further discussion:

"But what will you do," inquired the envoys, "when the Romans are united to the Byzantines? Yesterday, indeed, two delegates arrived from Rome and tomorrow, the Lord's day, they will communicate the Holy Mysteries with the Patriarch."

The Saint replied, "Even if the whole universe holds communion with the Patriarch, I will not communicate with him. For I know from the writings of the holy Apostle Paul: the Holy Spirit declares that even the angels would be anathema if they should begin to preach another Gospel, introducing some new teaching."

Source: "From From The Life of Our Holy Father St. Maximus the Confessor" (Boston: Holy Transfiguration, 1982), pp. 60-62 quoted from orthodox.net

It sure got quiet in here all of a sudden...

There is something to be said...

For "The Silence of the Lambs"...

Jes' sayin'...

A.
 
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Great answer!

Forgive my pushing you...

I misunderstood you to be defending Latin Papalism by your arguments...

The Church has never once in the entire history of the Christian Faith endorsed the supremacy of any Patriarch over anyone outside his own geographical See... Indeed, there are Canons forbidding it...

Arsenios
Technically, neither has the Catholic Church. The Pope is the same 'level' as any other Bishop, Archbishop or Cardinal (which are technically all the same level, other than the importance of the dicastery they head).
 
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It sure got quiet in here all of a sudden...

There is something to be said...

For "The Silence of the Lambs"...

Jes' sayin'...

A.
I guess I would say "So what?"
 
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The celibate priesthood is a discipline not a doctrine. There are married Catholic priests but that is not the norm.

Jesus and Paul both said that it is better for the sake of the Kingdom to remain unmarried if that is your calling.
If someone can control their lusts and not lust out of control in thought or in deed.

What Paul said is that it is easier for someone who wants to devote their entire life to the Lord to do so if they are unmarried, because then they do not have the responsibility of caring for a family and meeting the needs of a wife and children.

It is not talking about people who are made 'priests' because they hold to a celibate lifestyle. That has proven to be a disaster and only attracted people who are non-traditional in their lusts
 
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If someone can control their lusts and not lust out of control in thought or in deed.

What Paul said is that it is easier for someone who wants to devote their entire life to the Lord to do so if they are unmarried, because then they do not have the responsibility of caring for a family and meeting the needs of a wife and children.

It is not talking about people who are made 'priests' because they hold to a celibate lifestyle. That has proven to be a disaster and only attracted people who are non-traditional in their lusts
So, if you wanted to play football, and the discipline required that you work out 3 hours a day, eat right, get enough sleep, practice 6 hours a day...if you wanted to play football bad enough, would you have the discipline to do it? Athletes are often required to do really hard training to be elite athletes. If someone wants to serve the Lord as a priest, and he knows that the discipline required is to be celibate and chaste, to be an elite human being, why wouldn't he do what's required?

Your last statement is really ill-informed. Regarding the priest child-abuse scandal, fewer priests had issues with this than in other professions where adults are in control of children. That is not to say that they were ok to do it, but that the reports are way overblown and out of proportion. What is known is that, when the population is decimated by plague or whatever, and vocations aren't coming in to fulfill all the posts that need filling, the Church has let down her standards, and things, ugly things, have happened.

Don't blame the child-abuse scandal on celibacy. It is known that 10% of all pastors, Protestant pastors, admitted having affairs and having issues with children such as the child-abuse scandal in the Catholic Church.
 
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