Advice please: Mother-in-law issue

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I don’t know if this is the right place to ask, but I need some advice and I don’t know where else to turn. This is my first post here.

My mother-in-law and I currently have a good relationship. There have been issues in the past, where I repressed the problem for a long time, but it started causing issues in my marriage. For example, for a few years after she got divorced from my father-in-law she was calling my husband several times a week and wanting him to come help her "right away" with moving a piece of furniture or a box, etc. He had to drop what he was doing and go help her— and he would. If he didn’t, or if he tried to schedule a time to come help her the next day, she would yell and hang up on him. Another example, following her divorce, she would show up at our house unannounced 3-5 days a week. There was no call to ask if she could pop over— these were totally unannounced. Eventually, I had to talk about these feelings and concerns with my mother-in-law. She has bipolar disorder, and very easily lets her temper flare. When I brought up these issues and concerns up with her (in the kindest way I could) she took my statements and requests as a personal attack. For example, I asked her to give us a 30 minute notice before she would come by, or just call to ask first. In response, she screamed at me that she was lonely and that it was MY husband’s fault she had gotten divorced (she got divorced because my father-in-law was a cheater and a liar). Every comment that I made was taken as an attack. There have been numerous other issues, but these were the most recent. Things have been settled between us, for the most part. She respected my requests and things have been pretty smooth. Fast forward to today.

My daughter (15) was getting ready for my mother-in-law to pick her up. My MIL asked to take my daughter to dinner, and we said “yes”. My birthday and Valentine’s day are coming up, so my daughter and I were talking about that as she got ready. My daughter was talking about how I would love the birthday present she had purchased for me when my MIL had taken her out shopping last month. My daughter decided to use a gift card that she was given as a gift to buy me a birthday present. Then my daughter said this: “Grandma said that I should get an allowance every week and I shouldn’t use gift cards I am given to buy presents. I told Grandma that I don’t need an allowance. Grandma said 'That’s because your parents are brainwashing you.'” I responded with: “She used the term ‘brainwashing’?”. My daughter said “yes”. I’m not looking for advice for or against allowance for children or teens. We don’t give our daughter an allowance for reasons that don’t pertain to the advice I am seeking. Additionally, my daughter is honest; this is something I could reasonably conclude my MIL would say. I think my daughter thought I would laugh this statement off. I don’t think she realized how seriously I would take it. What I want advice on is the following:

-Should I address this statement with my mother-in-law?

-How should I address it? What should I say?

I’m angry. There have been issues in the past with my MIL bad-mouthing my husband or me in front of my daughter. There have also been past issues with parenting decisions we make. For example, she was totally against our decision to homeschool. Another example, my daughter is anxious to get her learner’s permit but my MIL is vehemently against it and saying that the roads are too dangerous and she will get in an accident.

My husband brought up an interesting point, as well. He didn’t get an allowance as a kid. Was she brainwashing him? He got a paper route to pay for the things he wanted.
 

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Eventually, I had to talk about these feelings and concerns with my mother-in-law.

Should I address this statement with my mother-in-law?

I can't help but think this would go smoother, or at least be more effective, if your husband were to speak to his mother about the problem.
 
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I can't help but think this would go smoother, or at least be more effective, if your husband were to speak to his mother about the problem.

I tend to agree. However, with her bipolar disorder she is more likely to scream at him than she is with me. She still, occasionally, puts up a "front" for me. She doesn't need to put on that "mask" with just my husband, because she knows he has seen her rages since he has been a small child. Further, we would likely discuss this issue with her together.
 
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I don’t know if this is the right place to ask, but I need some advice and I don’t know where else to turn. This is my first post here.
*First off, welcome to the Forum!

My mother-in-law and I currently have a good relationship. There have been issues in the past, where I repressed the problem for a long time, but it started causing issues in my marriage. For example, for a few years after she got divorced from my father-in-law she was calling my husband several times a week and wanting him to come help her "right away" with moving a piece of furniture or a box, etc. He had to drop what he was doing and go help her— and he would. If he didn’t, or if he tried to schedule a time to come help her the next day, she would yell and hang up on him. Another example, following her divorce, she would show up at our house unannounced 3-5 days a week. There was no call to ask if she could pop over— these were totally unannounced. Eventually, I had to talk about these feelings and concerns with my mother-in-law. She has bipolar disorder, and very easily lets her temper flare. When I brought up these issues and concerns up with her (in the kindest way I could) she took my statements and requests as a personal attack. For example, I asked her to give us a 30 minute notice before she would come by, or just call to ask first. In response, she screamed at me that she was lonely and that it was MY husband’s fault she had gotten divorced (she got divorced because my father-in-law was a cheater and a liar). Every comment that I made was taken as an attack.
There have been numerous other issues, but these were the most recent. Things have been settled between us, for the most part. She respected my requests and things have been pretty smooth. Fast forward to today.

My daughter (15) was getting ready for my mother-in-law to pick her up. My MIL asked to take my daughter to dinner, and we said “yes”. My birthday and Valentine’s day are coming up, so my daughter and I were talking about that as she got ready. My daughter was talking about how I would love the birthday present she had purchased for me when my MIL had taken her out shopping last month. My daughter decided to use a gift card that she was given as a gift to buy me a birthday present. Then my daughter said this: “Grandma said that I should get an allowance every week and I shouldn’t use gift cards I am given to buy presents. I told Grandma that I don’t need an allowance. Grandma said 'That’s because your parents are brainwashing you.'” I responded with: “She used the term ‘brainwashing’?”. My daughter said “yes”. I’m not looking for advice for or against allowance for children or teens. We don’t give our daughter an allowance for reasons that don’t pertain to the advice I am seeking. Additionally, my daughter is honest; this is something I could reasonably conclude my MIL would say. I think my daughter thought I would laugh this statement off. I don’t think she realized how seriously I would take it. What I want advice on is the following:

-Should I address this statement with my mother-in-law?
*You have many years of interacting with your MIL,
you have experienced her responses and flaring temper,
and her trying to manipulate.
Talking to her gently didn't go well, she balked/took offense etc.


-How should I address it? What should I say?
*You and your husband need to be in agreement
as to putting in place safe boundaries when dealing with "mom".
You and him should sit down together and
discuss the issues... then take it all to the Lord in
prayer.
Ask the Lord to help you forgive your MIL and to
work out the anger. Holding onto to it will leave
you open for the "enemy"(devil) to mess with you
...he wants to keep you upset/angry...when you're
moving in anger/resentment, the focus is taken
off of God and His Word.


I’m angry. There have been issues in the past with my MIL bad-mouthing my husband or me in front of my daughter.
*When you're under "attack" the first one to seek is
God...take the matter to his throne, pour out your
heart there.
Where's your "backup" -- husband, prayer partners,
Christian mentor(s)? Get them all praying over this
situation ASAP.

Repent of holding onto anger... go into God's Word and renew your mind on truth.
Matthew 5:44
Romans 12:14
1 Peter 3:9
Ephesians 6:10-18 (full armor of God)
Bible study on it here:

http://www.freebiblestudyguides.org/bible-teachings/armor-of-god.htm

It would be good for your family to do the bible study and use the "armor" each day.

There have also been past issues with parenting decisions we make. For example, she was totally against our decision to homeschool. Another example, my daughter is anxious to get her learner’s permit but my MIL is vehemently against it and saying that the roads are too dangerous and she will get in an accident.
*Your husband and you are the parents who are parenting, while it's nice to get some input from MIL (or other relatives)...the finally say lies with you: mom and dad.
Stand your ground as parents.


My husband brought up an interesting point, as well. He didn’t get an allowance as a kid. Was she brainwashing him? He got a paper route to pay for the things he wanted.

*There are no perfect parents, humans are all flawed and test sin positive.

Some parents admit to making mistakes, why others are
in denial and try to ride rough-shod over their married son/daughter who have children.

In such cases you need to put in place boundaries when
dealing with relatives who are controlling/manipulative.

We are called to live peaceful lives, sometimes in order to do that one has to cut back on the time that certain toxic people spend with them and their child/or children.



 
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From what I read, I think it's more than just the allowance thing that's bothering you. It seems like maybe you're still angry on things that have happened in the past. From my point of view what your MIL said about the allowance thing was rude and she definitely shouldn't have told your daughter that but at the same time it doesn't really seem like that big of an issue. I believe that since you and your MIL have had a rocky past, anything she does now that you don't agree with will just make you ten times angrier than normal. I would definitely sit down and talk with her about it but at the same time try not to come off as too angry. It's not an excuse but she does have an illness, So you should be assertive with her but not rude to her. No matter what, she is now your family and you don't want to have that relationship ruined but if it continues after you have a talk with her then you should love her from a distance. Even though she is your MIL don't let the issues you have with her mess up your marriage. Don't let her views or opinions of your marriage or child get to you,Her opinion shouldn't determine what goes on in your household.
 
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the basic concept of 'offense' is that someone says or does something that you judge to be both wrong and directed toward you; without your judgement of their words/actions, there can be no offense received by you. your MIL has judged you and created this opportunity for you to receive offense - don't be like her and judge her, thereby creating an opportunity for her to receive offense, as this will only escalate over time. only victims can forgive; because once they do, they are no longer victims - they become victors. :)
 
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Forgive, yes, absolutely. Understand that she has an illness that impacts how she relates to others, certainly yes. Let it continue to cause harm, absolutely no.

I have bipolar disorder. Bipolar disorder can be managed, although for some that is easier than for others. In my right mind, I would not think to tell a child her parents are brainwashing her for not giving her an allowance. That's not something to gloss over with forgiveness and nothing else - particularly because, as you've described her, she has a pattern of similar behavior. She is interfering with a parent-child relationship in an unhealthy manner. Your daughter laughed it off now. But what if it comes to a point where you and your daughter are on the outs for some reason? Sure would be easy for a girl mad at her mom to listen to a woman with known tendencies to express dislike for you.

So for the health of your immediate family, because this isn't a one-time offense, I personally think you and your husband need to address this issue with her and tell her that it's not Ok for her to say things like this to her grandchild. You haven't mentioned if she is under any kind of doctor's care/medication/therapy regimen. From what you've described, though, I don't think she's going to take it well any way you present it. I don't think there is any way to get around that, except heavy prayer. However, if you (meaning you and your husband) don't set firm boundaries, she'll walk all over them and you. Even when you set them, she will probably test them, like a child. And like a child there will need to be appropriate consequences. You're a parent, so I'm sure you know how consequences work in a loving household. Sometimes they aren't pleasant to go through, but for the health of everyone involved, they are necessary to be held to. Also, I do think that while your husband should be the one who leads most of the discussion, both of you need to be there to present a united front. And if she isn't under care, or is under inadequate care, now would be a great time to get better help for her.
 
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