How Can We Know the Sabbath is Saturday? (moved)
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Of course it matters. The statement was made that 'the law' was not given until the Israelites crossed the Red Sea, Yet Abraham kept the commandments of YHWH, Noah knew kosher, and Cain and Abel brought sacrifice... Seems to me something was going on long before Sinai...
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That the kind of invitation that's hard to resist... laying pearls out to be trampled in the mud.
I'll pass...
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Nope! Moses said -
5 And Moses called all Israel, and said unto them, Hear, O Israel, the statutes and judgments which I speak in your ears this day, that ye may learn them, and keep, and do them.
2 The Lord our God made a covenant with us in Horeb.
3 The Lord made not this covenant with our fathers, but with us, even us, who are all of us here alive this day.
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Why cannot God reveal things to those who came before Sinai without giving those folks the law of Moses? God demanded sacrifice after the fall. He had to have told them the difference between the ceremonially clean and those that were not. At the time of Noah God had not told him not to eat ceremonial unclean animals. In fact you should know that God told him to take with you seven pairs of every kind of clean animal, a male and its mate, and one pair of every kind of unclean animal, a male and its mate, 3 and also seven pairs of every kind of bird, male and female, to keep their various kinds alive throughout the earth. Then you should know God told Noah what to eat: Gen 9:2 The fear and dread of you will fall on all the beasts of the earth, and on all the birds in the sky, on every creature that moves along the ground, and on all the fish in the sea; they are given into your hands. 3 Everything that lives and moves about will be food for you. Just as I gave you the green plants, I now give you everything. 4 “But you must not eat meat that has its lifeblood still in it.
Did God somehow get mixed up? So, did Noah have the law of Moses? It would appear he didn't and Deut 5 is correct in that the Israelites were the only ones to have the law of Moses. Pretty plain, isn't it? The problem is some people just parrot what someone else feeds the without going to the source to find out id what they are being fed is the real truth. I personally know because I was one that was duped, but no more. People can write or tell me anything, but until I search the scriptures or study for myself I have t take it all with a grain of salt, as they say.
Deut 5:2 The Lord our God made a covenant with us at Horeb. 3 It was not with our ancestors that the Lord made this covenant, but with us, with all of us who are alive here today. 4 The Lord spoke to you face to face out of the fire on the mountain.
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Except in that not all 'clean' animals are used in sacrificing - At least not in the system that we know of...
You seem to have missed the point: "Just as I gave you the green plants, I now give you everything."
We know that not *all* plants are food, even though *all* plants were given 'for food'. The statements given regarding the plants were generic (Gen 1:29-30; Gen 3 17-10) describing a class, without going into specifics. Animals seem to be treated here in the same way - The class is generically given - Yet we know that not all meat is good for food - Like with plants, some meats are downright poisonous.
It would seem (if it was then like today) that the same rule set would apply - Things that are predators or scavengers tend to carry disease (they eat diseased meat), just as mollusks and crustaceans tend to carry toxins... So within the generic class as given, the premiere meats would still be the ones that YHWH has always defined as 'clean', and to my knowledge, those animals are the only ones exampled as food throughout the scriptures.
I think the truth is the truth, no matter when. Principle things are timeless. In that, I find YHWH to be remarkably consistent.
Each covenant was 'not like before'... but each ratified what came before. The Noachide Law is not Moses, but it turns out, it is a subset thereof. The same things in Noah are found in Moses, but that in Moses, more is revealed. Would that modern Christians could see the pattern.
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Moses is writing -- all of it.
Gen 26:5 Moses saying that Abraham had this said about him - by God "Abraham obeyed My voice and kept My charge, My commandments, My statutes, and My laws.”
Genesis, Exodus, Leviticus -- all written by the same author and given to the same readers.
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Evidently Ol Abe didn't have the law of adultery. He had concubines. he also didn't have the law of tithing. The only tithing episode was the spoils of war tithed to Melchizedek. The Torah tithing laws never accepted anything but animals and crops.
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I missed the point? I only quoted what Moses wrote. For one thing I researched hogs and found out they were among the first animals to be domesticated. Why were they domesticated? I bet it was not for the production of footballs. I will not try to second guess the instructions God gave to Noah. The only thing God told him not to eat was the blood of the animals. It appears you are doing some twisting of what God said to fit some preconceived notions. Jesus said it is not what goes into the mouth it is what comes out that defiles.
I agree, but we cannot write into scripture some thought that is not there. Some like to write in that Adam and Eve were Sabbath keepers. Scripture does not reveal this, so I have no idea if they did. What I do know is that there is absolutely no evidence in history of man that reveals a Sabbath or observance of any day until just before Sinai. So to be so positive about the Sabbath going back to Adam is not proveable.
Yes He is. God set a plan for mankind and that plan has changed course many times. God didn't change His mind, The plan was to change course many times. Two thousand years ago when the Temple was destroyed the old course stopped. The old covenant plan died in the course and mankind was given a new and better course and this course is called the New Covenant. It is not like the old course and I really do not believe God wants us to try to go back to the old course. The Temple is gone along with the Levites. Any attempt to imitate the old course is useless. Now under the new course we will go to clear through to the second coming of our Savior Jesus Christ. That is the end of the plan of salvation
I have not studied all that was in each covenant, but it woul no, I do not believe you are correct. The New Covenant is not like the Mosaic covenant. The new is new and only has one sacrifice for all mankind one time. The new has no ritual days nor laws concerning what we wear and how to do this and that. The new does not require a Temple of any kind, no Levitical hierarchy and on and on. May God Bless you, Bob
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No sir! read and weep -
5 And Moses called all Israel, and said unto them, Hear, O Israel, the statutes and judgments which I speak in your ears this day, that ye may learn them, and keep, and do them.
2 The Lord our God made a covenant with us in Horeb.
3 The Lord made not this covenant with our fathers, but with us, even us, who are all of us here alive this day. Deut 5
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