I Obey, Therefore I Am Loved and Accepted.

Jason0047 said:

So you are a mind reader and you know my life like God.

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Don't have to be a mind reader, just have to read the words you write that express what is in your mind.

ToBeLoved said:

How can one reject God because of sin, when Christ decided that He paid for sin?

You are then deciding for Christ and saying His Word is not true. That is a slippery slope my friend. You cannot decide for Christ, no matter what you think is just and unjust.

That is going beyond what we are able to do. That is surpassing faith, and moving into judgment and righteousness.

Are you going to go there as a sinful man?

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10I want to know Christ—yes, to know the power of his resurrection and participation in his sufferings, becoming like him in his death, 11and so, somehow, attaining to the resurrection from the dead.

12Not that I have already obtained all this, or have already arrived at my goal, but I press on to take hold of that for which Christ Jesus took hold of me. 13Brothers and sisters, I do not consider myself yet to have taken hold of it. But one thing I do: Forgetting what is behind and straining toward what is ahead, 14I press on toward the goal to win the prize for which God has called me heavenward in Christ Jesus.

Thursday said:

If you remain in his love.

10If you keep my commands, you will remain in my love, just as I have kept my Father’s commands and remain in his love.

2 Tim 2:12
If we endure, we will also reign with him. If we disown him, he will also disown us;

Romans 8:17
And if we are children, then we are heirs: heirs of God and co-heirs with Christ--if indeed we suffer with Him, so that we may also be glorified with Him.

Phil 3
10I want to know Christ—yes, to know the power of his resurrection and participation in his sufferings, becoming like him in his death, 11and so, somehow, attaining to the resurrection from the dead.

12Not that I have already obtained all this, or have already arrived at my goal, but I press on to take hold of that for which Christ Jesus took hold of me. 13Brothers and sisters, I do not consider myself yet to have taken hold of it. But one thing I do: Forgetting what is behind and straining toward what is ahead, 14I press on toward the goal to win the prize for which God has called me heavenward in Christ Jesus.

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Christians are those who remain in His love.

ToBeLoved said:

So says you. And your theology has been refuted as unBiblical time and time again. Christ died for sin Jason. And Christ forgives sin. Even you should not set your stature so high that you think that you are able to judge anything righteously.

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Not really. When I asked for verses to be explained that refutes Eternal Security, I rarely get an answer with Scripture; And when I do get an answer with Scripture, it usually is an ignoring beyond how it is plainly written.


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Steeno7 said:

Christians are those who remain in His love.

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If they obey his commandments.

Thursday said:

If they obey his commandments.

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Christians are those who obey His commandments. We are the only ones who can.

Steeno7 said:

Christians are those who remain in His love.

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Jesus said if you love me, keep my Commandments (John 14:15).


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Jason0047 said:

No. Christ died so as to pay the price for sins so as to offer the free gift of salvation (the gospel) so that He could then forgive them when they repented of their sins and accepted Him as their Savior (Believing that He was died and was risen on their behalf).


Yes, sin can remove salvation. We see this in the Garden; And it is still the same now. How on Earth you believe God would condone a person's sin is just silly to me.


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The garden. Oh now you have really shown the true colors of your theology in all it's flaws. To say what we see in the garden is the same as now is so wrong. The garden shows the punishment that was wreaked upon mankind for disobeying God. This is in no way, no way evident of what we now have in Christ.

This is so odd it almost makes me cry that you would say such a thing.

And then think that anyone would say that God condones sin.

If this is your belief, than you are in way more trouble theologically than I ever thought.

Please pray for yourself and to God. I will pray for you and I'm sure the rest of the people on this thread will do the same.

Jason0047 said:

Jesus said if you love me, keep my Commandments (John 14:15).


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And we do through the Holy Spirit, God Himself.

ToBeLoved said:

The garden. Oh now you have really shown the true colors of your theology in all it's flaws. To say what we see in the garden is the same as now is so wrong. The garden shows the punishment that was wreaked upon mankind for disobeying God. This is in no way, no way evident of what we now have in Christ.

This is so odd it almost makes me cry that you would say such a thing.

And then think that anyone would say that God condones sin.

If this is your belief, than you are in way more trouble theologically than I ever thought.

Please pray for yourself and to God. I will pray for you and I'm sure the rest of the people on this thread will do the same.

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But you are not offering me any kind of Biblical example or Scripture to believe your side of the argument, though.
Your just stating opinions here.


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ToBeLoved said:

And we do through the Holy Spirit, God Himself.

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Some do, some don't.

Do you believe that it is God's fault when someone rejects his will?

ToBeLoved said:

And we do through the Holy Spirit, God Himself.

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But Eternal Security proponents believe they can sin and still be saved. How can God allow the Eternal Security Proponent to sin with Him living in them? Is not God holy and righteous and offended by sin? Why would God who is holy and good live in evil and sinful people?

For it is written, what fellowship does light have with darkness?


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EmSw said:

Since grace isn't a gift, what did you pay for it? Could you afford it?

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I did not pay anything for Grace...nor could I pay anything for it. God's grace is God's and God's alone. It is because of His grace that HE sent His Son to pay for our sins. The gift that God has provided was the propitiation of sins...Christ paid the penalty of death for us.

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But Eternal Security proponents believe they can sin and still be saved. How can God allow the Eternal Security Proponent to sin with Him living in them? Is not God holy and righteous and offended by sin? Why would God who is holy and good live in evil and sinful people?

For it is written, what fellowship does light have with darkness?

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You believe you can sin and still be saved. How is it you cannot see your hypocrisy?

Thursday said:

Are sitting and listening not actions?

It is amazing what lengths Calvinists must go to in order to push their dogma.

Is this unclear:

10If you keep my commands, you will remain in my love, just as I have kept my Father’s commands and remain in his love.

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Whom did Jesus commend? Was it not Mary, which, He said, "Hath chosen that good part, which will not be taken away"?

What was most important? Listening to Jesus' words.

Jesus rebuked Martha for her "busywork". What you guys promote amounts to busywork, much like the old joke, "Jesus is coming! Everybody, look busy!"

You guys want to emphasize what you think you must do, while the Gospel emphasizes what Jesus has done. What you guys refuse to understand, is that you really don't trust the Holy Spirit to motivate and encourage those kinds of works that please God, and are done willingly, and zealously from the heart. You want to drive people, and crack the whip over them, making them feel like that have yet to obtain what they already have obtained, by trusting in Him, and not in themselves.

Your attitude is, if there is no discernible activity, there is no salvation. You look on the outward only. You cannot see the heart, only God can. Consider the deciduous trees which in the winter look dead, lifeless, but underground, out of sight, they are growing, spreading their roots, and preparing for the Spring when they will put forth their leaves, and display the life they have had all along. Many men go through a similar process, yet you would judge them, because you see no activity that you deem "worthy".

It's not your call to make, and you sin in judging those who may be going through a "winter season" where there is little if any evidence of growth, or of life. You don't know what God is working in them under the surface, and He is under no obligation to show you! Show a portion of the Grace that God has shown you in saving you in spite of your filthy, sinful hearts!

You want to believe that your zealousness alone will please God. It won't.

Many things have been done, ostensibly in the Name of Jesus, that He never told anyone to do, nor is it pleasing to Him. You want to do what you dream up to gain favor with Him, thinking that if you ask Him to bless it, He will, and not realizing that only those things motivated and given by Him for you to do will have any value before Him.

The root of all this fuss and angst is a hatred of the Doctrines of Grace, commonly called by the misnomer of "Calvinism", when it is more correctly called "Dortism", for those who feel they have to label everything, to categorize them, and assign levels of error to them, based on your own biased understanding. It's juvenile, and speaks of an immaturity that you should have by now outgrown.

Some of you act like 3-year-olds. Some of you have nothing of worth to add, you just want to stir the pot, cause strife and dissension, and try to provoke those you disagree with to anger and wrath (which is sin, for both the provoker and the one being provoked), in order to get them removed from the discussion. That is not motivated by the Holy Spirit, no way, no how. Just think of it, some here are intentionally trying to cause their opponents to sin, and yet the want to talk of sinless perfection??? What hypocrites! Misrepresenting your opponent is itself a sin! It is bearing false witness, which is one of the Ten Commandments given by God to Moses. Thou shalt not bear false witness. Does that ring a bell?

People, grow up! Act like Men of God, not participants in a street brawl! There are no prizes here, no awards given!

nobdysfool said:

People, grow up! Act like Men of God, not participants in a street brawl! There are no prizes here, no awards given!

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There is a prize for those who press on to the end!

Calvinism is a dangerous teaching that tells us that our actions are irrelevant to our salvation which directly contradicts the bible.

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10I want to know Christ—yes, to know the power of his resurrection and participation in his sufferings, becoming like him in his death, 11and so, somehow, attaining to the resurrection from the dead. 12Not that I have already obtained all this, or have already arrived at my goal, but I press on to take hold of that for which Christ Jesus took hold of me. 13Brothers and sisters, I do not consider myself yet to have taken hold of it. But one thing I do: Forgetting what is behind and straining toward what is ahead, 14I press on toward the goal to win the prize for which God has called me heavenward in Christ Jesus.

Thursday said:

There is a prize for those who press on to the end!

Calvinism is a dangerous teaching that tells us that our actions are irrelevant to our salvation which directly contradicts the bible.

Phil 3
10I want to know Christ—yes, to know the power of his resurrection and participation in his sufferings, becoming like him in his death, 11and so, somehow, attaining to the resurrection from the dead. 12Not that I have already obtained all this, or have already arrived at my goal, but I press on to take hold of that for which Christ Jesus took hold of me. 13Brothers and sisters, I do not consider myself yet to have taken hold of it. But one thing I do: Forgetting what is behind and straining toward what is ahead, 14I press on toward the goal to win the prize for which God has called me heavenward in Christ Jesus.

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which proves that you don't have a clue as to what Calvinism teaches. Where did you get your knowledge of Calvinism? From a CrackJack box, or a Jack Chick tract?

And my reference to a prize was in this forum, not eternity. You're just being contrary to be contrary.

nobdysfool said:

which proves that you don't have a clue as to what Calvinism teaches. Where did you get your knowledge of Calvinism? From a CrackJack box, or a Jack Chick tract?

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Calvinism teaches unconditional election, which is unbiblical.

Thursday said:

Calvinism teaches unconditional election, which is unbiblical.

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You don't even know what that means, obviously. Unconditional election simply means that God's election of a person was not based on anything within them, no quality of personality or actions foreseen. His choice was based on His own good pleasure, which He has chosen not to reveal. His choice was not based on their foreseen performance, but solely on His own Purpose and good pleasure. He chose them because it pleased Him to do so.

Thursday said:

There is a prize for those who press on to the end!

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What is the prize???