After Planned Parenthood Attack, No Calls to Close Churches or Register Evangelicals

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A few years ago there was a push by the extremists on this forum to kick out all of the non-Christians.

The ultimatum was given to kick out the non-Christians or rename the website to Forums.

The owner of the website purchased http://foru.ms and advised the more extreme members of this forum to be more careful what they demand he do.

So an atheist owns this site? That's news to me.
 
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He killed someone ( among other things.)
I don't believe the Bible ever extolled it as a good thing, however. Some of the bad deeds the Bible tells of, are just reported without much moral commentary, in a "this thing happened, then this thing happened" sort of way.
 
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it was the same news report......

what i'm wondering is why they are not releasing information on the suspect's motive and other details, yet made it a point to mention what they say the suspect said about no more baby body parts...

For all we know the shooter said such because he helped sell the body parts. Maybe he wanted out of the illegal business.
 
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For all we know the shooter said such because he helped sell the body parts. Maybe he wanted out of the illegal business.

that is quite possible, and maybe why they refuse to release more information.
 
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iirc, there were 30ish Muslims who died in the terrorist attacks on 9/11.
Memory is getting fuzzy in my old age...never mind how old...but the number 37 comes to mind. i believe that these were all Iranian though. i cannot speak to other Muslim deaths or their nationalities.
 
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From the link:

"HOW DO YOU DEFINE JIHADISM? We define jihadism as a modern revolutionary political ideology mandating the use of violence to defend or promote a particular very narrow vision of Sunni Islam. Explanation:1 While jihad is an Islamic concept which means ‘struggle’ and has both military and spiritual connotations, the term jihad-ism describes a political ideology; and while many Shia groups and individuals refer to themselves as ‘jihadists’ this count focuses on a particular movement categorised by Al Qaeda, its affiliates and those who subscribe to a similar philosophy.  These jihadists believe that Islam is under attack – from the West, Israel, apostate Muslim rulers, and the Shiites – and that every Muslim must come to its defence.  What differentiates jihadists from other groups and individuals that have justified violence in Islamic terms is their doctrine and long-term political vision. The jihadists’ aim is to create states or societies that are governed by an extremely narrow, puritanical interpretation of Sunni Islam known as Salafism (or Wahhabism).  Salafi doctrine accounts for the jihadists’ aggressive hostility towards other sects and religions; their rejection of man-made laws and democracy; and their enforcement of public morality, dress codes, and social norms.  Many groups in Pakistan and Afghanistan – most prominently the Taliban – do not classify as Salafist or Wahhabist. They typically follow the Deobandi or Ahl e Hadith traditions, which are similar to Salafism in their emphasis on literalism and have developed more or less in parallel. For the purposes of this study we have included them as jihadist groups.  Some of the beliefs listed above are held by other Muslims but it is a combination of all of these beliefs along with the readiness to kill in the name of those ideas that defines jihadism in this count. Only a minority of Sunni Muslims worldwide are Salafists, and only a small fraction of Salafists are jihadists. Jihadists, therefore, do not represent mainstream Islam, and their doctrine, views and methods are not shared by the vast majority of Muslims."

"HOW ARE YOU DEFINING GROUPS OF JIHADISTS? This research is based on the assumption that, in addition to acts of violence carried out by (nameless) networks and individuals, the majority of jihadist incidents are the responsibility of groups. The methods we used for identifying groups in this study were based on: 1) The definition of jihadism as laid out in the methodology of this project. 2) The feedback from three independent reviewers (Prof Mark Sedgwick; Prof Martha Crenshaw; Dr Omar Ashour). 3) An academic ‘Jihadist Scoring System’ devised by John David Payne, Donna Lee Bowen, and Joseph Woolstenhume2 , to determine whether “jihadism” is the predominant motivation for all the groups and actors included in this exercise. This study has not set out to study all Islamist violence. We are aiming to produce data focused on a particular type of violent conflict – namely Al Qadea groups, their affiliates and other groups motivated by a very similar ideology."
Yes, that's what I'm replying to.
 
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Which is an absurd premise as well.

Here's a comparison.

Christian violence is comparable to the number of World Series victories by the NY Mets

As Muslim violence is comparable to the number of World Series victories as the NY Yankees.

There's no comparison. The Yankees have won exponentially more WS.

Same with Muslim violence.
A more apt comparison would be "Muslim violence is the NY Yankees, Christian violence is the NY Mets. Both are baseball teams. One has won more games than the other, but they're still essentially the same thing".
 
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For all we know the shooter said such because he helped sell the body parts. Maybe he wanted out of the illegal business.
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You can read the words of the Quran and the Hadiths for yourself to see violence extolled by Muslims toward non-believers. Christians have no authoritative teachings to do such things.
You can cherrypick elements of both books that would appear to OK violence, especially to those who haven't studied.

You and I know the Bible doesn't actually command violence, but it could be spun that way by someone with an agenda to someone less familiar with it. True?

So... given that there are any number of serious Muslim scholars who say similar things about the Koran, i.e. it doesn't command violence, but it could be spun that way, why not believe them?
 
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While it may not seem fair the argument can be made that this is a single event as it compares to the SEVERAL attacks in recent years in the name of Islam.

Partly because Christians who are attacking aren't getting any press coverage for it.

From Here:
Child 'witches' and killings in Africa: Why the little ones are safer in Muslim than Christian societies:

The allegations are also more likely to happen in Christian societies, or more precisely, churches with an evangelical, revivalist, Pentecostal outlook, with accusations of child witchcraft far less likely among Muslims.
 
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That was my point. No one knows. But that doesn't stop the jump to the conclusion and the point of the thread/article extremist projections about a man who's unknown.

Registering Evangelicals, closing churches. It's a deflection from what is making news in the extremist Muslim terrorist acts so as to implicate Christians being as bad as Muslim terrorists. Based on this one guy who no one knows anything about at this point.

Considering American forces are responsible for the deaths of hundreds of thousands of innocent women and children in Iraq, and the American forces leadership was fundamental Christian, and the armed forces were majority Christian, I would say Christian "terrorists" have done far more killing than Muslim "terrorists".
 
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Considering American forces are responsible for the deaths of hundreds of thousands of innocent women and children in Iraq, and the American forces leadership was fundamental Christian, and the armed forces were majority Christian, I would say Christian "terrorists" have done far more killing than Muslim "terrorists".

I was wondering how long it would take for someone to post this kind of asinine nonsense.
 
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I was wondering how long it would take for someone to post this kind of asinine nonsense.

LOL. Facts can be such pesky things when they contradict your world view. So when we kill, we good good good. But when they kill, they bad bad bad. Sigh, brainwashing is such a terrible thing.
 
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Considering American forces are responsible for the deaths of hundreds of thousands of innocent women and children in Iraq, and the American forces leadership was fundamental Christian, and the armed forces were majority Christian, I would say Christian "terrorists" have done far more killing than Muslim "terrorists".

baloney
 
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LOL. Facts can be such pesky things when they contradict your world view. How's life in your world, where the USA didn't kill innocent women and children in Iraq?

When you have to equate US forces with people who deliberately seek out and kill innocent civilians in the most horrific ways IN THE NAME OF GOD, it is a clear indication that you have lost the argument.
 
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The details may not have been released, but when a pro-life terrorist shoots up a women's health clinic that provides abortions, it's not a huge leap to infer that the motive might have something to do with abortions. Most shootings and bombings at planned parenthood buildings have had similar motives for the last 30 years. Why should we assume anything changed this time?

Or the shooting could be a false flag. We don't know yet.
 
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That GWB isn't a fundamental Christian?
That the majority of the American armed forces is Christian?
That the USA invaded Iraq?
That the invasion was responsible for the deaths of hundreds of thousands of innocent women and children?

(And I'm not including the deaths/deformities from all the Depleted Uranium projectiles we left laying around. There's a nice present that will keep on giving and giving. What kind of monsters would do that?)
 
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That GWB isn't a fundamental Christian?
That the majority of the American armed forces is Christian?
That the USA invaded Iraq?
That the invasion was responsible for the deaths of hundreds of thousands of innocent women and children?

(And I'm not including the deaths/deformities from all the Depleted Uranium projectiles we left laying around. There's a nice present that will keep on giving and giving. What kind of monsters would do that?)


BALONEY
 
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